Pistol rounds in a carbine

[Joel]

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about scoring a Pietta revolver in the future, and at some point later a carbine in the matching caliber.

I wanted to ask, how much velocity does a pistol bullet like the 45 Colt gain from a 16-20" carbine barrel? I think I heard somewhere it's something like 200 fps but I figured I should ask the guys who know their stuff.

If so, besides plinking this would be a pretty handy deer rifle for 50-75 meters, I am guessing? They say the benchmark for deer is 900 ft/lbs and I know it's going to be around 500, and maybe less, so would that be unethical?

 

[Big JD-From the hills]

Well if your going to be using colt level loads, than your probably right about the power level. In a good carbine you can step it up considerably(1600fps+ with 300grain slug). If you can practice lots, I would say it would easy do out to 150 yards, and maby more depending on your skill. If your going to be using hardcast lead bullets, its not going to mater anyway, everythings going through and through on deer, weather at 1600fps or 900fps.

 

[ryanb]

Any modern carbine in a pistol calibre using either modern loaded factory ammunition or stout handloads is going to have more than enough energy to kill a deer out to about 100 yards.

 

[slicknick]

Just remember that back in the day there were no whiz-bang super mags. Many, many deer have been taken using rounds such as the 44-40 and the like

 

[prosper]

^ And arrows, and spears, and big rocks. Doesn't mean that newer ISN'T better.

Still, you can juice the old .45 colt up plenty - right up into (and past, if you like living dangeously) 44 magnum levels. Some even go as far as to aproach 45-70 levels, but that's just foolish IMHO

 

[Joel]

Thanks for the answers guys...If I get setup to reload it I don't think I will push it too hot...Or if the factory ammo could kill deer at short range, I would probably just stick with factory

 

[Wrong Way]

I shoot a .44 mag carbine for deer. Took a bear at 119 yds last season with 240 factory loads....and I know they are far from being as hot as they could be.

Ryan

 

[Joel]

I'm mulling over going for a 44, but then the ammo wouldn't be interchangable with the pistol unless I bought a Ruger....Still, good to know, Wrong Way

 

[josquin]

...I'm thinking about scoring a Pietta revolver in the future, and at some point later a carbine in the matching caliber..

If I recall correctly, Mysticplayer was doing some experimenting with 45 LC loads in a lever-action carbine a year or so ago and was quite happy with the results. Drop Jerry a PM and get his .02 worth as well.

Stuart

 

[Joel]

Will do! Thanks for the info!

 

[H4831]

44 carbine

I shoot a .44 mag carbine for deer. Took a bear at 119 yds last season with 240 factory loads....and I know they are far from being as hot as they could be.

Ryan

Factory loaded 44 mag ARE as hot loaded as should be used in any light carbine rifle! They are loaded to at least 40,000 lbs. and that should be the limit for a lever action rifle.

 

[happiness is a warm gun]

Factory loaded 44 mag ARE as hot loaded as should be used in any light carbine rifle! They are loaded to at least 40,000 lbs. and that should be the limit for a lever action rifle.

The Winchester Super X .44magnum in the 20 round box are very hot and loaded to SAMMI max! Brutal to shoot in a short barreled revoler, but an accurate, hard hitting round in my lever action. Did a wonderful job dropping a nice Buck with mine last year with it.

 

[Wrong Way]

Factory loaded 44 mag ARE as hot loaded as should be used in any light carbine rifle! They are loaded to at least 40,000 lbs. and that should be the limit for a lever action rifle.

I've been curious about this.....the new Deerfiel Carbine (mines the old semi)
is built on a mini-14/30 action. IIRC, that action is built to handle over 75k (whats a .223...60?) so wouldn't it be logical that you could load above max?

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I tried steaming up 44-40 loads in a carbine, I found the bullet lost stabillityat higher velocity, (and I tried a great many bullets, both cast, and jacketted, of differing weights too) and groups were absolute $hit.
I went back to 1200fps, and got decent groups with damn near anything i want to shoot.
Still plan on taking it out for deer this fall, it's about 3" high at 50 yards, and 3" low at 100. You can hear the bullets strike home. 3 to 4" groups, with a coarse peep sight.