Planning my first purchases

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So after 4 and a half months, they finally approve my PAL, and now I am just waiting for its physical arrival. I will have to thank a field officer of CCFR

So what should I buy? (I will need to re-read the CFSC handbook). Here's what's I know

Equipment
1) a rifle/shotgun (duh!) and its associate ammo. I am thinking of one of the following (not all due to need to plan for storage):
-the 10/22 Takedown Heavy (model no. 21133) if it's out, the Takedown standard if not
-the norinco 870 12.5 in clone
-Rossi ranch hand in 375 (unless a better mare's leg was made)
2) Trigger lock (duh). Get a couple just in case?
3) rifle case (no idea on brand)
4) Ranch bag (how is that different from the gun case?)
5) Some storage. Going with a non-restricted for now, so should I still go with a safe, or is a Crappy Tire metal cabinet sufficient?
6) Electronic ear-protection and protective glasses. Anyone got a good recommendation? I wear glasses
7) ??? I am sure I forgot a bunch of stuff thanks to the delay.

License/membership
-CORE class
-Gun range membership. As a Vancouverite, I am thinking of either DVC and/or PoCo.
-CCFR membership (Without a chance meeting of a field officer I would not be able to get through)
-??? Somethignt hat I may forget.

Aside from helping me fill in the blanks, I need people to give me opinion or recommendations. Thanks a bunch!
 
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You sure you want to start with the 10/22 TD HB? It doesn't have open sights and regardless on how some people may feel about learning on irons vs learning on glass, at the end of the day, it will cost you extra to just start shooting it. With regards to locks, I definitely prefer combination locks, with codes you can set yourself, to keyed locks; one less thing to carry around. Rifle cases? Honestly, the Flambeau or Plano hard cases that you can find at virtually any Crappy Tire, with dimensions appropriate for what you intend to put in it, are good enough, IMO. Same goes with the safe, a Stack-On gun safe, found at any Crappy Tire, will legally suffice.
 
I had a 10/22 TD for a while. It was all right for me, I could never get it to group as well as my other 22's. In order for it to remain a takedown that would fit in the stock carrying case, I had to get a short 4X scope, which was a limiting factor. There are some pretty nice CZ's, Remington 597's (cheap) and other used 22 rifles in EE for around the same price, unless you want a TD.
A CZ 452 or 513 comes to mind, as well.
You're probably going to want a scope at some point.
As for a shotgun, this might hold it's value better, but is a 28" barrel, which is probably as useful, unless you're looking to take it hiking. This is a pretty good value as well, with the rebate.
 
- For home storage of multiple rifles a metal cabinet is a good fit.
- For transport pick a case or cases that work for you.
- For trigger, case, cabinet locks I prefer combination locks over keyed.
- Range bag is for everything you need to take to the range. Ammo, mags, eyes, ears, cleaning kit.
- You can get safety glasses that fit over standard glasses, or safety glasses that include magnification
 
jlagman said:
You sure you want to start with the 10/22 TD HB? It doesn't have open sights and regardless on how some people may feel about learning on irons vs learning on glass, at the end of the day, it will cost you extra to just start shooting it... Rifle cases? Honestly, the Flambeau or Plano hard cases that you can find at virtually any Crappy Tire, with dimensions appropriate for what you intend to put in it, are good enough, IMO. Same goes with the safe, a Stack-On gun safe, found at any Crappy Tire, will legally suffice.
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As I said, I am a newbie. I just figure the bull barrel to be better. So how difficult is it to retrofit a standard TD 10/22 with bull barrel?
Other than that, it's good to know a stack-on is sufficent for now.

woofer2609 said:
I had a 10/22 TD for a while. It was all right for me, I could never get it to group as well as my other 22's. In order for it to remain a takedown that would fit in the stock carrying case, I had to get a short 4X scope, which was a limiting factor. There are some pretty nice CZ's, Remington 597's (cheap) and other used 22 rifles in EE for around the same price, unless you want a TD.
A CZ 452 or 513 comes to mind, as well.
You're probably going to want a scope at some point.
As for a shotgun, this might hold it's value better, but is a 28" barrel, which is probably as useful, unless you're looking to take it hiking. This is a pretty good value as well, with the rebate.
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A 28" barrel is actually better since I know some gun clubs prohibit short barrel. But short barrel is more fun?

EDIT: So can I just use a good Duffle Bag for Range Bag, or is there actually somethign special about them?
 
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Jestersage said:
As I said, I am a newbie. I just figure the bull barrel to be better. So how difficult is it to retrofit a standard TD 10/22 with bull barrel?
Other than that, it's good to know a stack-on is sufficent for now.


A 28" barrel is actually better since I know some gun clubs prohibit short barrel. But short barrel is more fun?

EDIT: So can I just use a good Duffle Bag for Range Bag, or is there actually somethign special about them?
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Think of the shooting you plan on doing and ask yourself, do you really need a bull barrel on a semi-auto .22LR? Keeping certain things in mind like, will you be shooting indoors or outdoors? What's the maximum distance allowed for .22LR? Does the range have any "anti rapid fire" rules?

At closer distances; with fewer external effects from your surroundings; shorter and more controlled strings of fire; and your relative skill would you really benefit from a bull barrel? My major point is that model 21133 has no iron sights; it caters to a pretty specific niche and you would have to spend even more money on a scope and a set of rings, before you could even shoot it.
 
If you were open to a non-takedown .22 lr the Marlin 795 is the best bang for the buck. Accuracy/price. its as accurate if not more accurate than a 10/22 but is fairly basic - synthetic stock. If you wanted to spend more there are lots of other options CZ 452/455, Savage Mark II TR. The 795 Sights are decent and good quality inexpensive scopes are available from Simmons in a fixed 4x or a 3-9x for under $60 tax in. Some of the Mossberg 500 combos with 2-3 barrels are a great deal and offer a lot of utility and cost effective.

I have a rossi ranch hand in 44 mag. Really fun carbine. Love the snap/push of the 44 and its easy to transport. I also have a Dlask Shorty (870 with a custom 8.5" barrel) lots of muzzle blast.

You'll eventually be looking at a rifle - milsurps are something every new gun buyer looks at. It may or may not be for you. The Mosin's are cheap and accurate firing 7.62x54r. Mosin 91 long barrel. M38/M44 short barrelled carbine. The ammo is also cheap but will require extra maintenance due to the corrosive nature of some of the components used by some of the brands. The classic SKS is also not to be ignored semi auto firing 7.62x39.

Tons of other options in the standard NA cartridges - here's a cool chart to get you started.

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Enjoy!
 
Rickster66 said:
If you were open to a non-takedown .22 lr the Marlin 795 is the best bang for the buck. Accuracy/price. its as accurate if not more accurate than a 10/22 but is fairly basic - synthetic stock. If you wanted to spend more there are lots of other options CZ 452/455, Savage Mark II TR. The 795 Sights are decent and good quality inexpensive scopes are available from Simmons in a fixed 4x or a 3-9x for under $60 tax in. Some of the Mossberg 500 combos with 2-3 barrels are a great deal and offer a lot of utility and cost effective.

I have a rossi ranch hand in 44 mag. Really fun carbine. Love the snap/push of the 44 and its easy to transport. I also have a Dlask Shorty (870 with a custom 8.5" barrel) lots of muzzle blast.

You'll eventually be looking at a rifle - milsurps are something every new gun buyer looks at. It may or may not be for you. The Mosin's are cheap and accurate firing 7.62x54r. Mosin 91 long barrel. M38/M44 short barrelled carbine. The ammo is also cheap but will require extra maintenance due to the corrosive nature of some of the components used by some of the brands. The classic SKS is also not to be ignored semi auto firing 7.62x39.

Tons of other options in the standard NA cartridges - here's a cool chart to get you started.

RifleAmmoBuyingGuide_chart.jpg


Enjoy!
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I exactly bought a Marlin 795 and a Mossberg 500 combo the same day as my first purchases!
 
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