Please evaluate my recoil control...

Given the above 2 comments are from guys who are way better shooters than me, I feel a lot better about my reloads - I was starting to get worried even though I've never had my reloading technique slammed while on a course. In other words, I don't get the criticism either.
 
My number helper was discovering grip chalk.
Once i sarted chalking my hands, no more regripping, my weak hand became my other strong hand so to speak and gripped real good.
 
MartyK2500 said:
My number helper was discovering grip chalk.
Once i sarted chalking my hands, no more regripping, my weak hand became my other strong hand so to speak and gripped real good.
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My visit back in August I used baby powder which helped. On the videos above, I didn't use it because I was testing the Brooks Tactical AGrip on both Glocks. They work really well. Problem now is getting a good purchase with my support fingers onto my trigger fingers.
 
Slavex said:
Recoil control looks good, I'd be tightening the strong side thumb down onto the support hand though. And squeezing more with the support hand like Clob says. Your muzzle control is fine, unless the range has a rule about it. My muzzle is at least at 45 degree angle during reloads, unless I'm at certain ranges in certain countries.
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I think my club is fine with it as long as I'm not pointing the gun completely sideways. I was just fulfilling my hickok45 fantasy of using the slide lock. The other mag changes you see me in my usual mode.
 
BCRider said:
From the video your grip looks good. The left wrist could perhaps use a little more angle but it's not far off at all. When you place the fleshy heel of your support hand into the gap along the left side be sure you get it firmly against your fingernails of the strong hand. I could be wrong but it seems like your left hand might be back a little. But with larger hands on a smaller fitting grip what you show is pretty normal. But just check it for yourself. The goal being that the more forward you get the heel of your hand while still filling the gap well and achieving good contact with the left side of the grip scale the more finger length you have to wrap around your strong hand fingers. Also the easier it is to get a nice strong hand contact and support to the back strap.

When I hold a gun that doesn't fit me that well I tend to err on the side of a better strong hand grip and fit my support hand as well as it can in the resulting gap. If I ease up on the back strap to favor the weak hand support the gun tends to move more in my grip. So if I have to give anything up I give up a little of that left side fleshy heel fill in favor of the back strap.

For the most part your muzzle control during reloading wasn't bad. But a tighter control over the muzzle direction during handling is never a bad thing. I've seen a couple of stage DQ's by folks with less than ideal muzzle control which was OK when facing downrange but they broke the 180 rule due to reloading on the run while moving across a stage due to the angled hold of the empty gun. So work on the good habits now before you get bitten later. I know that working the gun up in your "workspace" is popular and this requires an angle to the side and a slight raising of the muzzle to avoid a very unnatural wrist angle. But you can learn to do that without the muzzle being directed to the side. Instead it's pointed up but directly ahead with the gun ROLLED instead of turned to the side to get a better shot for the mag into the well. That way the gun is always pointed ahead in line with your torso instead of off to one side.

Now you call it "recoil management". But in reality there never should be any effort put into trying to fight the recoil. If you do it'll never be timed correctly and the result is known as a "flinch". But what I did see, near as I could tell, was a proper "dead hold" where you are not fighting the gun so there's no signs I could see of any flinch. And that's as it should be.

Instead I see a well supported gun held deep in the grip so the recoil doesn't kick up the wrists overly much. I saw turned out and slightly broken elbows which tends to let the recoil push the hands directly back instead of up and which just kicks the elbows out a little with each shot. Were you holding the elbows out enough? That's for you to feel since you want them turned out but not to the point where it feels strained. But from what I saw it looked pretty good.

And the results show. The gun tended to recoil mostly directly back with only a minimal flip. Is it perfect? Probably not. We can always do better. But I'd say you're well on the way. And certainly any changes you do need to make at this point are not glaringly obvious where they are easily seen in a video other than perhaps working the grip to give a slightly better support to the back strap. In particular watch for the support hand pushing back your strong hand thumb and reducing that upper back strap contact pressure.
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You know, I was fooling around for a week before I went to the range that day. I was analyzing my grip and did feel an air gap between my right hand and the backstrap. Yes, on the outside, it looks like my right hand is jammed up on the beavertail - this is due to my left hand being too much back surpassing the backstrap. There is then very light pressure contacting against the backstrap of the gun which gave me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glv7slS6qQg So the videos above, I moved my left hand forward more. On the G19 Part 3 video, you can kind of see a gap forming between right hand heel and the left hand heel. On my next visit, I'm going to make some adjustments and do more analyzing...especially since everyone is saying my technique is pretty much there - just needs more practice at this point.
 
enefgee said:
Make sure you're following the front sight after the break, this allows the next shot to leave as the sights arrive, not waiting for you to get the sights and then letting it leave. Even with mediocre recoil control (like mine) you can get hits down to around .23 dwell time.
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Any tips or drills that can help me achieve that? The front sight moves so quick, by the time my mind processes what I'm seeing the front sight is pointing downward.
 
It's practice, I really didn't know I was doing it until I saw a video of myself shooting - I'm thinking "why the hell am I nodding?" then I realized I was following the front sight. Like I said, mediocre recoil control but good front sight focus - that and a small field of view (eyeglasses).
 
Protege said:
Any tips or drills that can help me achieve that? The front sight moves so quick, by the time my mind processes what I'm seeing the front sight is pointing downward.
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It's perfectly natural for the gun to go through a couple of nods when it recoils. And I seriously doubt that anyone can or should track the sights during that rapid sort of kick and resulting wobbling around in our grip. The whole thing takes something less than a 1/5 of a second to damp out. And THEN it's time to notice where the gun is pointed.

But if your sights are pointed down a little when it settles down then you are unconsciously fighting the recoil and might even be seeing a bit of flinch. When the gun finishes up you should still be pointed darn close to the original sighting point instead of lower.

Doing this is the core of the classic double tap or rapid fire string where the shots stay in a tight group. Shooters doing a quick double tap are relying on their hands being a good shock absorber and restoring the gun to the last aim point. But they can only do this if they are not trying to fight or tame the recoil through a reaction to hold the gun in place.

Don't do that. Let the recoil happen. If you fight it you'll never achieve truly good accuracy. Instead use the basics that you are already using and do them really well and altogether. You'll shorten up the duration of the recoil wobble and be ready to do rapid double taps that hit close to each other by using the good high hold with the gun sitting deep in your grip and the turn out of the elbows to convert more of the guns energy into a straight back and forth kick. These are the basics that you are already doing from what a lot of us are seeing.

You perhaps just need to focus on them and do them a little bit better. Noticing that you are pushing away your strong hand's grip on the backstrap is the first step to self analyzing your hold and arm positioning. Keep at it. In the end you are your own best critic to feel what is wrong. There's nothing glaringly wrong with your style. So the improvement is going to come from the little things.

As for reloading and other practices not actually involved with the shooting I'm a big believer in practicing what I will need in matches. And part of that is 100% muzzle and trigger finger discipline at ALL times. We'll do just what we practice when the chips are down. So it pays off later if we practice correctly at all times.

This can have funny results at times though. One day I was airgunning my way through an IPSC stage counting my shots and figuring out my footing and mag changes. Someone walked in front of me and my instant reaction was to raise my pointed finger up so I didn't sweep them. I instantly felt a little silly. But hey, while amusing it showed me that I was using the optimum muzzle safety practices. And that's never a bad thing.
 
a good way to find if you are good or not:
remove a primer/make a dummy and put in randomly in your gun.

you can film yourself when you shoot it, you can see all the wrong you made.
 
BCRider said:
It's perfectly natural for the gun to go through a couple of nods when it recoils. And I seriously doubt that anyone can or should track the sights during that rapid sort of kick and resulting wobbling around in our grip. The whole thing takes something less than a 1/5 of a second to damp out. And THEN it's time to notice where the gun is pointed.

But if your sights are pointed down a little when it settles down then you are unconsciously fighting the recoil and might even be seeing a bit of flinch. When the gun finishes up you should still be pointed darn close to the original sighting point instead of lower.

Doing this is the core of the classic double tap or rapid fire string where the shots stay in a tight group. Shooters doing a quick double tap are relying on their hands being a good shock absorber and restoring the gun to the last aim point. But they can only do this if they are not trying to fight or tame the recoil through a reaction to hold the gun in place.

Don't do that. Let the recoil happen. If you fight it you'll never achieve truly good accuracy. Instead use the basics that you are already using and do them really well and altogether. You'll shorten up the duration of the recoil wobble and be ready to do rapid double taps that hit close to each other by using the good high hold with the gun sitting deep in your grip and the turn out of the elbows to convert more of the guns energy into a straight back and forth kick. These are the basics that you are already doing from what a lot of us are seeing.

You perhaps just need to focus on them and do them a little bit better. Noticing that you are pushing away your strong hand's grip on the backstrap is the first step to self analyzing your hold and arm positioning. Keep at it. In the end you are your own best critic to feel what is wrong. There's nothing glaringly wrong with your style. So the improvement is going to come from the little things.

As for reloading and other practices not actually involved with the shooting I'm a big believer in practicing what I will need in matches. And part of that is 100% muzzle and trigger finger discipline at ALL times. We'll do just what we practice when the chips are down. So it pays off later if we practice correctly at all times.

This can have funny results at times though. One day I was airgunning my way through an IPSC stage counting my shots and figuring out my footing and mag changes. Someone walked in front of me and my instant reaction was to raise my pointed finger up so I didn't sweep them. I instantly felt a little silly. But hey, while amusing it showed me that I was using the optimum muzzle safety practices. And that's never a bad thing.
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Thanks BCRider. I am going to disclose something that might shed some light here. The first 2 magazines on all videos i was adding upward tension with my right hand. This in the hopes that my right wrist locks which i felt was causing excessive wobble during recoil. Magazines 3 and 4 i was pushing the gun out with both palms. The last magazine was just a normal tight grip.

By the end of my session i settled to just using a normal tight grip and letting the gun off with as little disturbance as possible. Once the gun has settled down, the front sight was still pointing down. Here is a link:

https://youtu.be/D561LD9601Y

I know I'm still flinching very slightly. I'm going to work on that.
 
In that last video I don't see any signs of any post trigger pull pushing. I could be wrong and it may be there in a small amount but it doesn't seem that way.

If it is then you just need to work a little more on NOT trying to control the gun with anything but a stable hold. Have a buddy load some mags for you that put a snap cap in the load at a point or two per mag so you don't know where the dud will be. Or load up the mags yourself but put them all into a bag or box and mix them up so you don't know which mags have the dud close to the beginning, end or middle of the mag. Be extra attentive to any reaction to the "click" that does anything other than just simply go "click" with no other movement.

That's about all I can suggest since what I'm seeing in the last video is already an improvement over the earlier ones. I see that you don't need to reset your grip part way through any more. So that's an improvement.
 
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