Please help: 6.5x55 140gr Interlocks and IMR 4350

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Does anyone have load data for Hornady Interlocks for the 6.5x55? I've been loading the SST 140gr. with great success but I have no data for the 140 gr. Interlock. The Interlock is the same weight but a different length. Loading to the same OAL would make the volume of the case bigger and I assume lowering the pressure. Would this require a larger powder charge to equal the pressure/velocity of the SST?

I thought Nosler partitions would be similar data but that data shows a powder charge below what I'm using.

Any help would be appreciated,

SB
 
In Hornady 9th Edition - same powder loads are shown for all 140 grain bullets by Hornady - noticed a difference in the C.O.L. that they listed: 140 gr. BTHP Match 3.025"; 140 gr. A-Max 3.025", SST 2.905" and Interlock SP 2.905". I suspect those numbers are the length that they tested with in their Mauser 1896 - nothing really says those are "correct" for your rifle? Also, note the rest of their recipe - brand of brass used (Hornady/Frontier), brand of primer used (Winchester WLR), etc.

I also looked in Nosler 9th manual - they used Nosler brand brass, Remington 9 1/2 primers, in a 23" Lilja barrel, so I presume, but do not know, that they used a Universal Receiver. Several powders listed in both manuals - some have different min and max values; some are the same - multiple powders listed in one, but not the other.

You did not say what powder you were using, or where you got that information from - I could tell you what the "books" say, if that powder is listed???
 
Use the same load for both. As per Potashminers comment Hornady 10 lists same loads for their 140-143 bullets with 140 SST and 140 Interlock loads they calculated using same OAL.

If you are worried about it take 5% off your SST load and work back up for the Interlock.
 
They are close enough, I would use the same load.

As a starting point. If you are hunting deer sized game, that will be fine. You may be able to add a bit more powder to get the velocity back up, as your pressure will be a bit lower, but check accuracy.
 
Use the same load for both. As per Potashminers comment Hornady 10 lists same loads for their 140-143 bullets with 140 SST and 140 Interlock loads they calculated using same OAL.

If you are worried about it take 5% off your SST load and work back up for the Interlock.




^ This right here. The book says same powder charge but it wouldn't hurt to knock it back a bit and work it up again.
 
I normally use IMR 4350 but now I'm using D4350SSC. It seems to be exactly the same as the IMR 4350. I use the top end at 45 grains.

I was hoping that since the Interlock is shorter (giving more case capacity/less pressure) I could load the same charge and if the POI was lower I could work it up a bit.

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll hopefully test out the Interlocks Saturday morning.
 
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I normally use IMR 4350 but now I'm using D4350SSC. It seems to be exactly the same as the IMR 4350. I use the top end at 45 grains.

I was hoping that since the Interlock is shorter (giving more case capacity/less pressure) I could load the same charge and if the POI was lower I could work it up a bit.

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll hopefully test out the Interlocks Saturday morning.

I'm running D4350 now also, but only up to 120 gr. bullets. I'm not sure how it compares to IMR 4350, but compared to H4350, it us bulkier. They suggested using H4350 data, starting 10% lower, and working up. At 48 gr. the powder will not fit in the case, so I have backed off to 47 for 95 gr. Hornady VMax and 45 (most accurate) under 120 gr. Privi bullets for my Zastava, and my M96, 42 under the Privi bullets. Accurate enough for the open sights.
 
I normally use IMR 4350 but now I'm using D4350SSC. It seems to be exactly the same as the IMR 4350. I use the top end at 45 grains.

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Neither Hornady nor Nosler list D4350SSC. Hornady 9th, for all the 140 grain bullets, lists 36.9 grains as minimum and 41.4 grains as maximum, for IMR 4350 powder in 6.5x55. Nosler 9th also list for IMR 4350 for 140/142 grain bullets - 39.0 minimum and 43.0 as maximum. I had previously mentioned the rest of their respective recipes above - brass and primer. I assume, but do not know, that the two of them list loads that they pressure tested up to SAAMI maximum pressure levels, in their guns or their apparatus. Hodgdon 2011 Annual Reloading Manual lists H4350 with 140 grain Speer SP, Winchester case and Winchester LR primer. 39.5 grains minimum and 44.0 grains maximum.

SAAMI sets the pressure limit for 6.5x55 at 51,000 psi - found that on the kwk.us website. I suspect the North American makers use that number as a limit. If you chose to go beyond their recipes - you already are, by substituting a powder - sort of out on your own. Also note that CIP sets their limit for 6.5x55 at 55,000 psi - but although both use piezo testing - different procedures, different places measured. Again, I suspect, but do not know, that USA makers would be using SAAMI procedures to get a number. If you are not using the same primers, same powder, same bullets, and same brass, then you are not using "pressure tested" data. You are making your own - very prudent to start low and work up, rather than jumping in near the top end...

You can read various articles by John Barsness. He was questioning why he would "limit" himself to traditional pressure limits, in a rifle that is also made and sold for more modern, higher pressure cartridges. I use the terms "traditional" and "modern" somewhat tongue in check - he was talking about taking the 1905 9.3x62 up to the "modern" 30-06 levels - so was looking to arrive close to 60,000 psi piezo, without having the stuff to actually measure that. Various articles on "ballistic rules" etc. Took his resultant loads to Western Powders lab in Myles City, Montana to confirm - hence there are loads for 9.3x62 that he publishes that generally exceed "standard" loading material - he is not "guessing" what that pressure might be.

That was the series of articles where he discovered many of the traditional "signs" of pressure are not always dependable - measuring case head expansion, "reading" fired primers, tight bolt lift - sometimes worked on some of his rifles, sometimes did not, when wired up for a piezo pressure test. The only consistent one that he found was muzzle velocity - it moves lock step with pressure - accounting for barrel length differences. So, a 140 grain bullet from a 6.5x55, at 2,700 fps from a 23" barrel with N160 powder is very possible - at much higher pressure than Nosler was getting with that powder. No "fast barrels", no "special cartridge shapes", no "secret loading procedures" to get more velocity - just have more pressure.
 
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While the 4350's all work OK in the 6.5x55 with 139/140 grain bullets, I have always got best results with slower powders.
I just finished developing a load with the 140 Hornady I.L. in my 6.5x55. I worked with Vihtavuori N560, and found a load
that has decent velocity, and prints nice, tight groups. In the past, I have had good success with Norma MRP, IMR 7828,
Reloder 22, IMR 4831, H1000, and H4831.

With lighter bullets [120-129 grain] IMR 4350, H 4350, H 414, W 760, 100V, W760 SL10, all have produced good results.
My 6.5x55 now wears a Bob Jury 26" SS tube, and it is quite Catholic as to loads, giving good velocities and groups. Dave.
 
Neither Hornady nor Nosler list D4350SSC. Hornady 9th, for all the 140 grain bullets, lists 36.9 grains as minimum and 41.4 grains as maximum, for IMR 4350 powder in 6.5x55. Nosler 9th also list for IMR 4350 for 140/142 grain bullets - 39.0 minimum and 43.0 as maximum. I had previously mentioned the rest of their respective recipes above - brass and primer. I assume, but do not know, that the two of them list loads that they pressure tested up to SAAMI maximum pressure levels, in their guns or their apparatus. Hodgdon 2011 Annual Reloading Manual lists H4350 with 140 grain Speer SP, Winchester case and Winchester LR primer. 39.5 grains minimum and 44.0 grains maximum.

SAAMI sets the pressure limit for 6.5x55 at 51,000 psi - found that on the kwk.us website. I suspect the North American makers use that number as a limit. If you chose to go beyond their recipes - you already are, by substituting a powder - sort of out on your own. Also note that CIP sets their limit for 6.5x55 at 55,000 psi - but although both use piezo testing - different procedures, different places measured. Again, I suspect, but do not know, that USA makers would be using SAAMI procedures to get a number. If you are not using the same primers, same powder, same bullets, and same brass, then you are not using "pressure tested" data. You are making your own - very prudent to start low and work up, rather than jumping in near the top end...

You can read various articles by John Barsness. He was questioning why he would "limit" himself to traditional pressure limits, in a rifle that is also made and sold for more modern, higher pressure cartridges. I use the terms "traditional" and "modern" somewhat tongue in check - he was talking about taking the 1905 9.3x62 up to the "modern" 30-06 levels - so was looking to arrive close to 60,000 psi piezo, without having the stuff to actually measure that. Various articles on "ballistic rules" etc. Took his resultant loads to Western Powders lab in Myles City, Montana to confirm - hence there are loads for 9.3x62 that he publishes that generally exceed "standard" loading material - he is not "guessing" what that pressure might be.

That was the series of articles where he discovered many of the traditional "signs" of pressure are not always dependable - measuring case head expansion, "reading" fired primers, tight bolt lift - sometimes worked on some of his rifles, sometimes did not, when wired up for a piezo pressure test. The only consistent one that he found was muzzle velocity - it moves lock step with pressure - accounting for barrel length differences. So, a 140 grain bullet from a 6.5x55, at 2,700 fps from a 23" barrel with N160 powder is very possible - at much higher pressure than Nosler was getting with that powder. No "fast barrels", no "special cartridge shapes", no "secret loading procedures" to get more velocity - just have more pressure.

The Hodgdon reloading data has a 140 gr. bullet with 41.0-45.0 gr of IMR 4350. The instructions on the powder can for D4350 were to use the data for IMR4350 and cut the load by 10% and work your way up, which I did.

It would be nice to know the pressure created and the velocity of the projectile.
 
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It would be nice to know the pressure created and the velocity of the projectile.

Only way to get velocity, that I know of, is to get to use a chronograph. Some very "odd people", like Phil Sharpe in 1950's had a ballistic pendulum that he could do the math to come up with a velocity number, but I do not think anyone like that exists any more. Most references claim that you can make a valid guesstimate of your pressure, from your velocity - if you have a pressure tested value to compare to. I do not have or use Quickload or similar software - so I just do not know how close or far their output numbers are to the real world - like many computer things - I suspect it's gotta have good information in, to get useful information out.

Pressure, so far as I know, can only be checked with specific gauges. Some people have a "strain gauge" system which is similar - glues onto rifle chamber - produces a value base on the amount of stretch that occurs when firing - but does not directly give a pressure value - strain gauge output can only be compared to a known calibrated "pressure standard" round. I suspect in North America that only powder manufacturer labs can directly measure for psi pressure. The older "Copper crusher" system required a hole to be drilled into the chamber and a copper pellet inserted - it got "crushed" by firing pressure - produced a value called "CUP" - "Copper Units of Pressure" - as I understand what the powder makers labs had many of - "pressure barrels", before the strain gauge type things came along.
 
Carl Gustaf Swedish Mauser 96. Makes .365" groups at 100 yards.

Not surprised they are great shooters.I seat the bullets out just shy of the rifling[they have generous throats] and so they still fit the magazine well for cycling.I bought 5 boxes of Fed 6.5x55 once for the brass and they were loaded with 140gr Partitions.They shot 1 1/4" groups at 100 yards........meh. So I bumped them out with a kinetic puller and re-seated them just off the rifling.Bingo 1/4" group.Mine was a model 38......killed a lot of deer and moose with that gun.
 
Neither Hornady nor Nosler list D4350SSC.
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You won't either. It is a "surplus" powder that was repackaged and marketed by Canada Ammo.

This is what they say about it...

Use IMR4350 data, minus 10% and work up the load.

These are OEM, not canister grade, so you must work up the load with each lot number.
 
While the 4350's all work OK in the 6.5x55 with 139/140 grain bullets, I have always got best results with slower powders.
I just finished developing a load with the 140 Hornady I.L. in my 6.5x55. I worked with Vihtavuori N560, and found a load
that has decent velocity, and prints nice, tight groups. In the past, I have had good success with Norma MRP, IMR 7828,
Reloder 22, IMR 4831, H1000, and H4831.

With lighter bullets [120-129 grain] IMR 4350, H 4350, H 414, W 760, 100V, W760 SL10, all have produced good results.
My 6.5x55 now wears a Bob Jury 26" SS tube, and it is quite Catholic as to loads, giving good velocities and groups. Dave.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-Loads-140-gr-AMAX-and-12-Different-Powders!?

Not the same bullet, but the results would have been similar. Also H4350, not IMR-4350 but powders in that Burn Rate range do well and are often the most accurate, however I found that slower powders (e.g. RL26) will produce higher MV's.
 
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