Please help me ID the ammo manufacturing origin 7.62 x 25mm Tok

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Hi,

I ordered myself a Polish TT-33 from sfrc. They did have surplus ammo crates and individual boxes of civilian PPU (Prvi) stuff. I bought one box of the civilian recent manufactured ammo, for the high velocity 1600FPS potential. Actually the PPU stuff is pretty hot at 1722fps and 560 foot pounds.

But I went to my LGS and they had individual boxes (50 per) of milsurp. I want to know where is the ammo from. The reason is this:

I did some googling, and some online retailers put a country of origin on the ammo, but the picture is often the same.

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This is what I bought. Some sites were using the same picture and calling it Norinco no-corrosive (I doubt it very much, its russian language isn't it? My rusky is a little rusty lol.
Some other sites call this Bellot (S&B)...

I've seen on youtube that the milsurp in that caliber is pretty inconsistent...anybody knows the milsurp specs? The casing stamps are 38......45...a star..and something too small I would need a magnifier to see. Looks like Brass case and copper jacket.

Your thoughts?
 
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sestroretsk said:
Soviet ammo.
That's older packaging, so maybe 40s manufacture?
Definitely corrosive. Should be packs of 70.
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Nice! Thanks! I have seen the 70 number on the box, I thought it was something else, but its cool that I paid only $15.99/70 rounds. I know that the cost per round if you buy a crate must be much lower, but anyway I impulse bought 4 x boxes lol.

BTW, what is the story behind you nickname? Are you Russian?
 
These are soviet rounds marked "pistol ammo". You should see two double digit numbers on the rim. Higher number is the year. Should be between 50s and 70s. These are actually pretty soft, even softer than modern S&B ammo, works great in TT unlike most common in Canada hot BXN ammo that comes on 10 round strippers and is designed to be fired from an SMG but people still use it for pistols. BXN stuff will still go bang out of TT but there is huge difference between pistol and SMG ammo of that era. I would not suggest firing anything but that soviet or modern ammo. Some things I fired out of my TTs produced 2 foot long muzzle flash, .44 kind of kick and so on.
 
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VuDu666 said:
These are soviet rounds marked "pistol ammo". You should see two double digit numbers on the rim. Higher number is the year. Should be between 50s and 70s. These are actually pretty soft, even softer than modern S&B ammo, works great in TT unlike most common in Canada hot BXN ammo that comes on 10 round strippers and is designed to be fired from an SMG but people still use it for pistols. BXN stuff will still go bang out of TT but there is huge difference between pistol and SMG ammo of that era. I would not suggest firing anything but that soviet or modern ammo. Some things I fired out of my TTs produced 2 foot long muzzle flash, .44 kind of kick and so on.
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I got 45 and 38. So is the 45 the year of manufacture and 38 the ammo production site? Also, there is a star, then either a narrow double zero or a figure 8....
 
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There was never specifically SMG designated ammo in 7.62x25. All comblock x25 ammo was loaded to be used in all type of firearms. Above package is clearly states that its pistol cartridges, however the quantity of them being 70, denotes that it can be loaded neatly in PPSH41. Now BXN ammo comes on 8 rd stripper clips, not 10 rd and only loaded hotter due to Czech firearm doctrine of being different from the rest of comblock countries. 8 rds on stripper clip can be loaded easily in 8 rd CZ52 pistol mag or total quantity of package being 40 rds, can be enough to load in to CZ26 sub gun that can utilize those clips and fill one mag and some spares.
That's the logic behind it.
VuDu666 said:
These are soviet rounds marked "pistol ammo". You should see two double digit numbers on the rim. Higher number is the year. Should be between 50s and 70s. These are actually pretty soft, even softer than modern S&B ammo, works great in TT unlike most common in Canada hot BXN ammo that comes on 10 round strippers and is designed to be fired from an SMG but people still use it for pistols. BXN stuff will still go bang out of TT but there is huge difference between pistol and SMG ammo of that era. I would not suggest firing anything but that soviet or modern ammo. Some things I fired out of my TTs produced 2 foot long muzzle flash, .44 kind of kick and so on.
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