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At the gunshop today, saw a brand new Win model 70 Safari Exress in .416 Rem Mag. Fell in love with it..Problem is: biggest gun I have ever owned is a 30-06 sprg. Never needed anything bigger..But Im very intriged by this beast!! Worried this thing would beat the heck out of me:D..I stand 5 foot 8, and currently weigh 165lbs..down from 205 this time last year. .30-06 recoil doesnt bother me what so ever, could shoot 180s all day..But i know this thing packs alot more punch...As with anything, recoil is more noticable on the bench..and in a hunting scenerio, usually adrenalin overcomes such things as recoil..but..to what extent..your opinions pls..before I buy a rifle that may put me on my a$$..

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If your worried about it then you should pass, anticipation of it will cause flinches that will be hard to break........it will certainly nudge you a bit more then your '06 ;)

But I'm curious why you need a 416 when the '06 can do it all anyways d:h::p;)
 
Always wanted a big bore..And it handled soo nice in my hands..

not really anticipating that it will affect me. just curious as to how much more than a 06 it will be..I know it will be more..and it may not affect me at all..
 
GameStalker30-06 said:
At the gunshop today, saw a brand new Win model 70 Safari Exress in .416 Rem Mag. Fell in love with it..Problem is: biggest gun I have ever owned is a 30-06 sprg. Never needed anything bigger..But Im very intriged by this beast!! Worried this thing would beat the heck out of me:D..I stand 5 foot 8, and currently weigh 165lbs..down from 205 this time last year. .30-06 recoil doesnt bother me what so ever, could shoot 180s all day..But i know this thing packs alot more punch...As with anything, recoil is more noticable on the bench..and in a hunting scenerio, usually adrenalin overcomes such things as recoil..but..to what extent..your opinions pls..before I buy a rifle that may put me on my a$$..
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The recoil of heavy rifles is often overstated, particularly when shot off hand. I've been pounded worse by rifles that were chambered for so called moderate cartridges, but had poorly configured or poorly fitting stocks. Conversely I was no the worse for wear when I inadvertently harped the dual triggers on a .500 Nitro double rifle. The key is that the rifle fits you, and that it has a quality recoil pad. Mostly a stock that is on the short side is less punishing than one that is too long.

If you don't handload, the cost any .416 factory ammo is too great to encourage enough shooting to develop competence. If you are going to handload, your recoil problem is solved; shoot reduced loads, then over time slowly work up the power scale until you can comfortably shoot full powered loads. For example, a heavy .30/06 load produces about 23 ft/lbs of recoil energy in an 8 pound rifle, and a .416 in a 10 pound rifle firing 350 gr bullets at 1800 with a reduced load of 4895 would be very similar, yet with a .416 Remington this bullet can be driven in excess of 2600 with approximately double the recoil.

Introduce yourself to the rifle slowly with reduced loads from off-hand, don't even think about shooting from prone or the bench at the start. But if you are truly interested in shooting powerful rifles, go for it. Chances are it will put a grin on your face and you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.
 
Bonus is that the 416 with 400s trajectory is pretty much identical to teh '06 with 180s. No need to learn new holdover.

But they kick, make no mistake. Probably more recoil that 90% of shooters are ready for or can deal with. Shooting anythign in that power level from sitting at the bench is foolish as it will beat you silly unless you use a Lead Sled (and I wouldn't put one of your rifles in a Lead Sled, let along one of mine). I did most of my load development from a standing bench and the recoil was dramatically reduced.

Bottom line: if you want it, and have the spare cash then go ahead and buy it. You won't use it much for NA game, but you may well decide that you want to hunt in Africa
(which, as several board members have shown, is easier and cheaper than most people realize) and the 416 was made for that game.
 
Size of the shooter makes more or less no difference in recoil tolerance. If anything, the small guy doesn't get as hard, but how you perceive the recoil is entirely subjective.

People vary wildly. Some people can get boarded in a hockey game, thrown from a horse, box for a hobby or tumble halfway down a ski-slope and honestly think it was fun. The next guy will curl up and die inside if he bumps his finger in the triggerguard.

Here's a recoil calculator that will put some numbers on the recoil, but won't put meaning to the numbers. You can do that, nobody can do it for you. Multiply whatever you feel from your 30-06 by 2.5 and it'll be close. Depending on your tolerance level your response will be anything from "Koooooooooollllll" to "I'm never doing that again".

http://www.huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/

I've got the same rifle as you're looking at but in .458. To me it kicks a little more than my .375s and less than my .416 Rigby.

Observation has convinced me that the vast majority of shooters will never be comfortable with the level of a .300 Mag. Those that break through that invisible barrier can usually just keep going.
 
do you handload?If so load some rounds down and work your way up.The recoil as said is often over stated.The secret is to shoot just a few rounds at each range session,don't continue to shoot it once your sore.Most people can learn to handle a 416 with practice.If you load 300-350gr bullets the recoil is a fair bit lighter than the 400's
 
Well......I dropped the cash down on it today and took it home.:D Gonna be a while before i get the chance to fire it with work and stuff..Probably wait for the weather to warm up so I an be more comfortable when shooting it.

Thanks very much for all the comments, advice etc...

And yes...Pics will be up tonight hopefully.:D
 
The advice about shooting it standing and not off a bench (at first) is very wise. Once you are used to your new .416 and are grouping it well, you will most likely be able to shoot any big bore without difficulty. I found the .416 RM kick harder than the .460 WBY, but of course that varies between rifles.
 
here's a couple I took tonight

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Well I'm 5'9" and 170 pounds, and I've got no problems shooting a 7 pound .30-06 off the bench with stiff 180 grain handloads. My first experience with a .416 was CRUSHING. Never again will I try and be a range hero and fire something like that off the bench! Offhand with a good stance and good contact with your shoulder pocket (and a decent vest/jacket as well!) should be fairly doable, but I only say that because we seem to have similar tolerances and physical dimensions.

FWIW the stock on those M70's is pretty traditional and I never noticed any surprises in terms of recoil handling. A Safari Express in .375 is high on my list as well.
 
I have a Brno ZKK 602 in 416 Rigby. I'm 155lbs in full boots, leatherman, flashlight, and a pocket full of ammo. Its a joy to shoot, one of my favorite rifles. It groups really nice for a big bore to. I've never shot a 416 Rem. But give it a try, you might catch the big bore bug and never turn back.
 
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