Poor accuracy , need help.

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I have a Remington 700 semi heavy barrel rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor sitting in a Magpul stock .
This rifle gave me major headaches trying to figure out what bullet and powder would work to an "acceptable " level for accuracy .
It was shooting sort of OK for a while now its back to useless again.
It started throwing flyers so i changed the scope , all to no avail .
I took the stock off just to see if something bad was going on ( not really sure what i was looking for) .
Didn't find anything out of the ordinary .
I Re assembled it all , went to my favorite shooting place , first group came back ok , after that , it went to hell again .
The rifle will not shoot a group , its more like a line and not even a close one . Last one before i gave up was around 3 inches at 105 yard range .
Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong before i jam the barrel in a vise? .
Could it be an issue with the Stock ? Is the Barrel shot out ?
I,ve wasted so much time and effort trying to get this pos to shoot but i'm all out of ideas and patience now .
Thanks in advance for any help , please feel free to ask questions but no bashing .
 
Are there any pressure points on your barrel or is it free floated? Also what are you torquing your action screws too? I torque mine down to 40 inch pounds with the factory bottom metal and it shoots moa at 100 m.
 
Can we get some pictures of the rifle ? Preferably in the stock as well as the barrelled action and a view of the stocks in letting?

When you install the stock do you ensure the recoil lug is seated correctly ? As mentioned above what torque specs are being used ?

Is the line left to right on the target or up and down ? (So is it a windage issue or an elevation issue as it can tell you a few things.)
Pictures of the target would help.

Also what combination are you using for handloads ? I try to always find a factory ammo that shoots good and then use it as my “test ammo” it gives me a repeatable accuracy that I go back to whenever I change a component or part on the rifle.

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There will be allot of questions and allot of answers, but among the questions that come to mind for me right away;

*the barrel is clean/not copper fouled etc?
*trigger pull weight?
*did you let the barrel cool down between shots?
*shooting only reloads or have you tried factory ammo?
*have you tried bullet weights lighter/heavier than what should work best for the rate of twist?
*proper rest fore/aft?

BTW, don't know you so I'm not making any assumptions about your experience level, but these^ are among the things that have stood in the way of accuracy for me having loaded 4 different centerfire calibers. I've only shot 6.5 once, but I've loaded .223, 204R, 243 and 17 Hornet. 204 was the only challenge, almost gave up on it. lol

Good luck, frustrating when one caliber goes so easy for you (.223 in my case) and boosts your confidence. Then the next one can bring you down a few notches. lol
 
Make sure your barrel is free floating. I've heard sometimes those magpul stocks can flex a bit when you're shooting.

Make sure your action screws are tight. 40 or 50 inch pounds is my go to. It's a lot but it's good insurance that your action is tight.

Is the action bedded? If not that should be your next step. At the very least make sure you have pillars in the stock.

I can guarantee the barrel isn't shot out, so no worries there. My bet would be on stock flex messing with the barrel.
 
.22LRGUY said:
There will be allot of questions and allot of answers, but among the questions that come to mind for me right away;

*the barrel is clean/not copper fouled etc?
*trigger pull weight?
*did you let the barrel cool down between shots?
*shooting only reloads or have you tried factory ammo?
*have you tried bullet weights lighter/heavier than what should work best for the rate of twist?
*proper rest fore/aft?

BTW, don't know you so I'm not making any assumptions about your experience level, but these^ are among the things that have stood in the way of accuracy for me having loaded 4 different centerfire calibers. I've only shot 6.5 once, but I've loaded .223, 204R, 243 and 17 Hornet. 204 was the only challenge, almost gave up on it. lol

Good luck, frustrating when one caliber goes so easy for you (.223 in my case) and boosts your confidence. Then the next one can bring you down a few notches. lol
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Yeah i have 3 6.5 Creedmoors . Tikka CTR , Christensen Arms BA tactical and this 700 . The other 2 will shoot just about anything i throw at them in regards to handloads. The 700 seemed to like 140, 143 and 147g bullets . I load these with IMR 4831 as that what i found worked the best . Actually one of the best groups it shot was using 42grains of RL16 and 147g ELD-M bullets but the primers were cratered . That really wouldn't bother me if it kept shooting that good . As for the "lines " it shoots now , they are stringing vertically . The barrel is free floated , i can run a playing card under the barrel . I typically take 4 rifles out when i shoot . I cycle them all 5 rounds , take a walk down to change the target and start again . I have no idea what the twist is on this barrel as it is not printed on it . My usual loads for the other 2 are 130g Sierra Gamechanger with 40.1grains of RL16 .
 
Sometimes it's the simple stuff that causes the biggest headaches.

Do you use a bipod? I had an issue once similar to yours, and I found that the screws attaching the bipod pic rail to the stock had backed off, creating an unstable platform. Retorqued the screws and solved the problem.
 
Viper25 said:
Sometimes it's the simple stuff that causes the biggest headaches.

Do you use a bipod? I had an issue once similar to yours, and I found that the screws attaching the bipod pic rail to the stock had backed off, creating an unstable platform. Retorqued the screws and solved the problem.
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I use bi pods on all my rifles . I can post pics of what this rifle can do and what it shoots like now . This is why i bring 4 rifles with me , its just to make sure . If all my rifles are off , well , its me lol . This one is capable of extremely small groups either 3 shot or 5 shot but now , its 3 inches .
 
This is a 12FV I have in 6.5cm, left group is FL sized, middle is FL sized with small bump, right is neck sized.
It has a preference for neck sized loads.
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Was the rifle cleaned? Is everything torked to specs, scope bases, scope rings, stock to action? Are you using good rest(sand bags, front rest, rear rest, solid bench)? Do you have rifles that you shoot real well, do you still shoot them real well( maybe something changed in your technique?)?
What brand model of scope are you using?
 
I would be interested in seeing the bedding surface inside the stock, as mentioned above. And being a Rem action, I would torque the front action screw at 40 in/lbs, and the rear at 15. Try it, then increase the rear to 25 and try again.....
(Old benchresters numbers for Remington action torque screw hack.)
 
Kazman1960 said:
The rifle will not shoot a group , its more like a line and not even a close one .
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This sounds like the stock is contacting the barrel, either direct contact or shooting method/style is pushing the stock into the barrel. A too long sling stud might be a contact point.
 
Dmay said:
I would be interested in seeing the bedding surface inside the stock, as mentioned above. And being a Rem action, I would torque the front action screw at 40 in/lbs, and the rear at 15. Try it, then increase the rear to 25 and try again.....
(Old benchresters numbers for Remington action torque screw hack.)
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I will try this next for sure . I am so tempted to give up on this rifle but i like /love the look and feel of it i just want to keep trying .
 
I can see what your saying but that would me all the groups would/should be all over the map . Like i said , it can shoot but something has happened that is driving me mad lol . I'll dig up some pics of the groups it can do and what it is doing now .
 
Hitzy said:
This is a 12FV I have in 6.5cm, left group is FL sized, middle is FL sized with small bump, right is neck sized.
It has a preference for neck sized loads.
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I hear what your saying but i have batches of 20, 50 or 100 reloads . If it groups great for the first 5 rounds then goes to pieces on the next group from the same batch i dont see that being the issue . I am really frustrated with this rifle .
 
Is your bipod compressing the stock when its stationary on the bench taking out the free float?
I'd try bags without the bipod. Check for forend flex as well.
Hogue stocks are famous for this. Not sure about a Magpul
 
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