Possible Safety concern

hannibal.black98

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Hey IRG,

I purchased a TPS Arms M6 Takedown in (.357Magnum/.410) from you guys (gun was already at your Canada location) about a month ago (order #28685)...cool/fun gun and I finally got some free time to take it out and have some things that are concerning...


I had pretty big cratering in ALL 50 of my fired .357 round primers (ammo was FACTORY...Brass Blaser 158gr JHP). No punctured primers but they were cratered enough that they did stick out and were no longer flush.

https://imgur.com/r3pa7Xx


I fired 33 rounds of .410 with a mix of 3" and 2 1/2" shells (ammo was FACTORY...Federal #7.5 2 1/2", Remington 3" 00 Buck and Challanger #6 2 1/2") and 5 of those 33 rounds punctured a primer.

https://imgur.com/Gb81zuv


Here is a photo of the breach end...looks normal to me?

https://imgur.com/NvWGjuh


Gun was inspected/cleaned and oiled before usage and during usage nothing unusual happened...recoil, sound, loading and extracting, groupings and patterning were all total normal. Gun was cleaned after and nothing unusual there either, it wasn't until I looked at my bag of brass and empty hulls that I noticed this.

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Should I be concerned? If so...what are the next step/s to take?

Thanks,

- David
 
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Those firing pins look like they are a little to tall and punching too deep and hard. That don't look right to me. I had that issue with a old colt revolver and had to take a bit off the firing pin and reshape and polish it then was smooth from there.

Sorry hope this helps a little
 
derek2007 said:
Those firing pins look like they are a little to tall and punching too deep and hard. That don't look right to me. I had that issue with a old colt revolver and had to take a bit off the firing pin and reshape and polish it then was smooth from there.

Sorry hope this helps a little
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Tuning up an old revolver is one thing but you should not have to take a file or stone to a new gun!
 
derek2007 said:
Those firing pins look like they are a little to tall and punching too deep and hard. That don't look right to me. I had that issue with a old colt revolver and had to take a bit off the firing pin and reshape and polish it then was smooth from there.

Sorry hope this helps a little
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Thought that might be a solution...but I also don't want to void any warranty.

I just want a safe to use gun and one that will remain reliable especially as it was bought for hunting/survival!!!
 
Oh ya that would be going back for warranty as I wouldn't mess with it. But if the QC is that far asleep I'm sure warranty and service will be non existent anyways lol

Hope it gets fixed
 
derek2007 said:
Oh ya that would be going back for warranty as I wouldn't mess with it. But if the QC is that far asleep I'm sure warranty and service will be non existent anyways lol

Hope it gets fixed
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Just wondering if this route will be an issue...if IRG.ca will exchange it out for me or leave me in the dark or "help me" but be without a gun for months on end...

Fit and finish on this overall tho is quite good I must say.
 
Breech face photo...
What do the firing pins look like when pressed forward? Undersized pins/oversized holes will produce what you are seeing.

Anyway, something is wrong, send the gun back.
 
tiriaq said:
Breech face photo...
What do the firing pins look like when pressed forward? Undersized pins/oversized holes will produce what you are seeing.

Anyway, something is wrong, send the gun back.
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The firing pins seem to clear the holes just fine without any noticeable drag or clearance issues. I can try to snap a picture tomorrow.
 
OP, you have kind of a dilemma - those clues were there on first or second round - yet you went ahead and fired 50 x 357 and then 33 x 410 - at the time, from what you wrote, must not have been concerning you too much - but it is now? Your "safety concern" does not quite follow through?
 
Potashminer said:
OP, you have kind of a dilemma - those clues were there on first or second round - yet you went ahead and fired 50 x 357 and then 33 x 410 - at the time, from what you wrote, must not have been concerning you too much - but it is now? Your "safety concern" does not quite follow through?
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I said during firing nothing at all was wrong...sound/feel/recoil/loading and extracting, groups/patterns were all normal. Picked up all my brass/hulls when I was done and went home. Cleaned my gun and the went to sort/put away my empties and that is when I noticed the issues.

I just don't want to put excessive wear and tear on the gun until it fails or worse...
 
crazyjackrabbit said:
Read the post again miner.... the whole thing...
Said he didn't notice it until he checked his brass and hulls later on
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I had read the whole thing. A difference in perspective I guess. I have ended up buying enough used and new things that ended up as being "junk", that I expect something to be improper in new-to-me stuff, until I have satisfied myself it is okay. That includes things with motors, wiring, even something as simple as a drill bit that requires the steel should be a minimum quality and suitably hardened. Which many times I have discovered was not done well, or not previously taken care of. But was a "good deal" to buy. Someone else may presume the thing is okay, until finding something wrong. As a result, from numerous re-builds that I do for myself, numerous "used" purchases, numerous "new" made-in-China (or similar places) things, I can not imagine taking out a new-to-me firearm (made by anyone - last one was a Mark V Weatherby, next one to go will be a new-to-me Ruger 77) and not inspecting for signs of problems as I shoot it, right from the first round. Until I am satisfied that it is fine. I am too old to enjoy surprises anymore...
 
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Please give Brandon a call at our U.S. office 928-505-6794. He was an Armorer for the US army, he can share his thoughts with you to see if it is a warranty issue.

The IRUNGUNS Team


hannibal.black98 said:
Hey IRG,

I purchased a TPS Arms M6 Takedown in (.357Magnum/.410) from you guys (gun was already at your Canada location) about a month ago (order #28685)...cool/fun gun and I finally got some free time to take it out and have some things that are concerning...


I had pretty big cratering in ALL 50 of my fired .357 round primers (ammo was FACTORY...Brass Blaser 158gr JHP). No punctured primers but they were cratered enough that they did stick out and were no longer flush.

https://imgur.com/r3pa7Xx


I fired 33 rounds of .410 with a mix of 3" and 2 1/2" shells (ammo was FACTORY...Federal #7.5 2 1/2", Remington 3" 00 Buck and Challanger #6 2 1/2") and 5 of those 33 rounds punctured a primer.

https://imgur.com/Gb81zuv


Here is a photo of the breach end...looks normal to me?

https://imgur.com/NvWGjuh


Gun was inspected/cleaned and oiled before usage and during usage nothing unusual happened...recoil, sound, loading and extracting, groupings and patterning were all total normal. Gun was cleaned after and nothing unusual there either, it wasn't until I looked at my bag of brass and empty hulls that I noticed this.

---

Should I be concerned? If so...what are the next step/s to take?

Thanks,

- David
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