Possible T81 New Issue

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My folder T81 is OK, finish is typical Norinco style, you can expect rough surface here and there.

But what concerns me is the misalignment between gas tube and barrel, it goes off sideway 2mm.

Anyone has any input, is it a defective, is it gonna affect performance, or simply a esthetic one?


Oh looks I cannnot post pics. Any way, the gas tube cover goes awry from the barrel.

TKS!
 
To be specific, it's a piston cover which keeps gas cap movement limited between position 1-0-2. Make sure they assembled it right. Just remove it and put it back.

My t81 had sling loop jammed between the cover and the barrel and piston cover looked misaligned too.
 
Please use postimage.org and attach individual picture links here for the rest of us to view. Maybe it's not as bad as you think...?


(on another note, this BS never ends - I almost don't want the T81 to ever get delivered, as I just feel I'll be in line for a return too... quality control = 0 it seems!)
 
cheesymacaroni said:
How big of a problem would it be to shoot a rifle with that problem?
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It depends on how bad the off centering is (angle). I suppose if it's bad enough, it could impede the gas piston from cycling the bolt carrier properly and you'd have failures to extract/stovepipes. The geometry of the whole system has to be within specs. 2mm off center seems like a lot, to be honest... as the gas piston is usually designed to be at a perfect 90 deg perpendicular angle with the bolt carrier face.

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762mm said:
Please use postimage.org and attach individual picture links here for the rest of us to view. Maybe it's not as bad as you think...?


(on another note, this BS never ends - I almost don't want the T81 to ever get delivered, as I just feel I'll be in line for a return too... quality control = 0 it seems!)
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The guns well worth it if it's straight tho
 
762mm said:
Yeah, I bet... I just don't like the feeling of lottery we are going through with these.

I refuse to play the lottery for a reason... and this time the ticket was $1,000. :mad:
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Well don't buy a BCL 102 then :p

ComradeVlad said:
The guns well worth it if it's straight tho
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How many have actually been bent enough that it matters? Lots of guys trying as hard as they can to show it being a couple millimeters off but how many have actually been twisted enough to effect function or reliability? I think people expect way too much from a $1000 rifle made in China. They don't have to be perfectly straight like a quality North American made rifle with a forged receiver, if you have to try to see that it's bent then it's fine. As long as it isn't really twisted to where the bolt won't lock up properly or bad enough the parts are binding while cycling it's in spec as far as I'm concerned.

762mm said:
It depends on how bad the off centering is (angle). I suppose if it's bad enough, it could impede the gas piston from cycling the bolt carrier properly and you'd have failures to extract/stovepipes. The geometry of the whole system has to be within specs. 2mm off center seems like a lot, to be honest... as the gas piston is usually designed to be at a perfect 90 deg perpendicular angle with the bolt carrier face.

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You're thinking of them like they are AR-15's with tight tolerances and precision fitted parts. These are not that. If having a rifle that isn't perfect bothers you and you're the OCD type that will nit-pick every flaw then Chinese built rifles are not for you. Fit and finish is always mediocre but 99% of them function and are reliable. You just have to accept that there will be blemishes and things might not look fantastic but as long as it cycles it's working as designed.
 
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762mm said:
It depends on how bad the off centering is (angle). I suppose if it's bad enough, it could impede the gas piston from cycling the bolt carrier properly and you'd have failures to extract/stovepipes. The geometry of the whole system has to be within specs. 2mm off center seems like a lot, to be honest... as the gas piston is usually designed to be at a perfect 90 deg perpendicular angle with the bolt carrier face.

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There is a difference between the piston being canted and the sheet metal cover being canted.

A canted piston could be an issue. The sheet metal cover is purely a cosmetic if crooked.
 
This is the first time ive commented on these Type 81's.

I have to say, how glad I am I didn't get one! I saw theme come up for presale and was like OH GOD I need that.... Then thinking, and said that's really just a fancy SKS.... Then decided if I was going to spend over $1000 I would just get a Mini-30....

Looks like a made the right decision, these things look like they were build by my 5 year old son.

Yes with rugers you have to buy a stiffer hammer spring, but the rest is very high quality.

I honestly think some very shaddy people made a lot of money preying on the gun community, knowing we go nutz over a "ALMOST AK". I think we all know that if they were on the LGS racks and you could check it out before buying it, all of us we say

"WTF $1000+ for this?" and ill get the SKS and 1 Duckbill mag please.
 
cr5 said:
You're thinking of them like they are AR-15's with tight tolerances and precision fitted parts. These are not that. If having a rifle that isn't perfect bothers you and you're the OCD type that will nit-pick every flaw then Chinese built rifles are not for you. Fit and finish is always mediocre but 99% of them function and are reliable. You just have to accept that there will be blemishes and things might not look fantastic but as long as it cycles it's working as designed.
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I'm not OCD and I don't mind blemishes, but I do mind if the geometry is f**ked up on them. I've recently read a guide about how to hand pick a good AK in the States (with stamped receivers) and it appears as though the geometry not being bang on can cause some severe uneven wear and reliability issues with time, thus it's recommended to look for signs of inconsistent wear when buying AKs second hand. As a general rule, it was advised to stay away from guns with bad trunnion riveting or barrels that seem off center. Sound familiar?

I'll take their word for it, they've been playing around with these types of rifles for far longer than we have, thanks to our asinine laws. It's not OCD, it's prevention and looking out for my investment.



Claven2 said:
There is a difference between the piston being canted and the sheet metal cover being canted.

A canted piston could be an issue. The sheet metal cover is purely a cosmetic if crooked.
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Fair enough, but the metal cover is just a cover or is it a guide tube for the piston like the SKS?
 
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762mm said:
Fair enough, but the metal cover is just a cover or is it a guide tube for the piston like the SKS?
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Just a cover. Front part also limits the gas adjustment cup rotation (anything beyond 2 or 1 is a disassembly position). There is a photo in Owner's thread with paint chipping, you can see the front of the cover and regulator.
 
BlackVoid said:
Just a cover. Front part also limits the gas adjustment cup rotation (anything beyond 2 or 1 is a disassembly position). There is a photo in Owner's thread with paint chipping, you can see the front of the cover and regulator.
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Oh, ok then. Thanks. I wish I could say I feel relieved, but it still leaves a few other issues to worry about now. One step at a time I suppose, eh?

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