Powders for : 223/260/30-06

todbartell

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Im looking at reducing the amount of powders on my bench

I load for my 223 Rem, 260 Rem, and 30-06 (all bolt action M700)

I am thinking of keeping the powders on hand to :

Hodgdon Benchmark
Hodgdon Varget
Hodgdon 4350
Hodgdon 4831sc


Benchmark for 223 loads

Varget for 223/260 varmint loads/30-06 up to 165 gr.

H4350 for 260/30-06

H4831sc for 260/30-06 with heavier bullet loads


what do ya'll think? (I stick with H powders for temp. insenstivity, and I can get them cheaper than anything else)
 
Pretty funny, that's kinda the same powders I use in very similar calibers... No wonder since you helped me out with my choise of granules a couple years back when I started reloading...

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Those should work, if that's all you load for. I also like to keep a few kegs of surplus powders from higginsons around for plinking/general purpose. The WC-735 is appropriate for .223 and some 308 loads.
 
yes, I got some WC845 now (milsurp previous to 735) for my 223

this is all I load for personally. if a friend wants some loads done in whatever he shoots, he buys the powder. :)
 
I like to have a lot of powders around, as it's often hard to source them locally "oh, sorry, we're out of stock, try back later..." - a real PITA when you only need a pound or so to have to order it and wait. I'm not patient...

That said, Varget and WC-735 are by far the most versatile powders I keep stocked, and see the most use.
 
While those are great choices if one wants to scale down his powder numbers, I could never personally be happy if limited to less than 12 types or so. So many interesting possibilities when one has the "bug" to experiment. I have had so much success with the powders made in Scandinavia, that I hate to think of being without some of them [Norma, Vihtavuori, Alliant] Regards, Eagleye.
 
Ive had alot of powders in the past

found I was playing around chrony'ing loads and shooting groups at 100 yards with my rifles, thats it :redface:

I think Id rather stick with some good working powders and git shootin' long range
 
Hey, Tod, I went to the range yesterday to do some further experimentation with Vihtavuori N550 and N560 in the .308 and .30-06. (These are the nitroglycerine-impregnated powders unlike the N100 series.) To say that I was impressed would be an understatement. And these days I'm so jaded that it takes quite a bit to impress me.

The .30-06 was my M700 Stainless Mountain rifle. It has a "slow" barrel. For example, the only time I've ever squeaked over 2,900 with a 150-grain bullet was when I loaded three grains over Max with Varget.

The rifle is incredibly accurate, though, for such a lightweight hunting rifle. At least, it's accurate for the first three shots. Usually, by shot four the barrel has heated enough that the group opens to a bit over 1 moa. This is normal for Rem Mountain Rifles, as I'm sure you know from personal experience.

Anyway, I tried it with N550 and 155-grain Hornady AMAX bullets. I started with 58.5 grains and found the average to be a little over 2,950. I finished with 61.5 -- and you're not going to believe this -- the chronograph averaged well over 3,150!

Accuracy wasn't too bad -- a little over 1 moa at 200 metres. But that rifle has always preferred slightly heavier bullets.

Next, I tried N560 with a 165 Hornady BTSP. The best load was 64 grains. Velocity pushed 3,000 for the first three shots. All three were touching AT 200 METRES!. By the fourth shot, the barrel had heated up quite a bit, and it registered 3,100 over the chronograph. That shot landed about two inches lower than the group. Not surprising, considering the velocity spike. Even including that flyer, however, I would have still got 1 moa. Without the flyer, you're talking in the high .2s. This with a Hornady blemished reject hunting bullet that I bought in bulk. Not bad.

I've worked up a similar load with a 168 Barnes Triple Shock. I figure that should do the job for all my hunting needs in BC.

I'm certain that other .30-06s would get higher velocities with this powder, if you can believe it. The only thing to be aware of is that this much slow burning powder in a .30-06 gives you the blast of a .300 Magnum. Actually the fireball and blast was so intense that I think the Finns might have actually added some plutonium into that powder. ;)

In the .308, I tried one load: 50 grains N550 pushing a 155 Hornady AMAX out of a 26-inch Krieger Palma contour barrel. I got the first three shots into a hole about the size of a dime at 200 metres. A puff of wind caught me on the fourth shot and blew it a little over one inch to 9:00. As you can imagine, that pissed me off.

The chronograph was averaging around 3,100. Yes, I'm serious. Unlike the .30-06 described above, this Krieger is a "fast" barrel. (For example, 45 grains of Varget with the same bullet will give me 2,880. That's about 100 fps faster than book velocity.) Still, you have to be amazed by 3,100 fps out of a .308 with a 155-grain bullet.

This was a maximum load. I think I'll try to back off a few grains, because I really don't need that kind of velocity out of a .308 match rifle, and I want to preserve barrel life. But this is one hell of a start.

If this powder weren't so damned expensive, I'd think seriously about using it in competition. Unfortunately, Varget from Higginson is so much cheaper and is still an excellent performer.

Anyway, I'd recommend that you try some of this powder. If you're not doing high-volume shooting, the cost may not be too bad for you, and the performance is pretty impressive.
 
Im not looking for anything more than 2800 fps w/ 165s in my 22" Titanium '06, and $75+/2 lbs of powder doesnt interest me much :)

If I wanted 300 Mag performance, Id probably buy one, rather than try to turn my '06 into something its not :D
 
I tried to get down to Varget, H4895, H4831 and Unique for pistol, but now it seems as if Benchmark, Longshot, H4350 and IMR 7828 SC have crept back into my life..

But I have manged to dump the Unique.

I try to stickl with H as well, for the temperature insensitivity, as well as the price.

I love Alliant RL powders, but they are very expensive comparatively.:)
 
Me too boys......I got benchmark and varget for .223, IMR4198 for 30-30, H1000 for 7MM RM, H380 and H335 for .243........what am I doing, I got more freaken powder than I know what to do with.................but I'll keep it all!
 
p-17 said:
(These are the nitroglycerine-impregnated powders unlike the N100 series.)


There are a LOT of nitro-enhanced powders out there. Pretty much any ball powder, and the entire 'reloader' series. If you liked the 500 series, give the 'reloaders' a try. They're actually scandanavian-made too, and are a double-based extruded powder.
 
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