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I thinking about participating in PR .I would like to know from you experienced folks what you think about
a leupold Mark 4 ER/T 8.5-25x50mm (30mm) M5 Matte Front Focal TMR . Is it good for 1000 m. Thanks
 
I believe it would be plenty for 1000 yrds and beyond. The 30mm tube allows for lots of adjustment and a 20 moa (even 30 moa if you ever wanna go WAY out there) canted rail will allow to reach out. But remember, the more you wander from tube"s TRUE zero for windage ( even just to zero the rifle) the less elevation adjusment you will have.
 
Assuming this is the reticule your talking about, I don't see why it wouldn't work...

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This been said, if you are <buying> a new scope, you might get more bang for your buck with a Sightron, they are quite popular with the F-Class crowd. They'll give you more magnification and save you a few hundred $$ in the process.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
That still doesn't answer what discipline of PR .. A bench rest gun and a "tactical" style match gun will shine with 2 very different type of scopes ..
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Easy there big guy. The ORA calls it PR that's it. Don't know all the rules as I'm new to this but I know shooting will be in a prone position. I know it's not bench rest for sure . Your thoughts ?
 
Haha I'm just trying to get to the point , "precision rifle" is a pretty broad term , if your shooting ORA it's stationary targets at set distance . So now we got a good start !

Shooting for score , a second focal plane scope may be a better option . As you zoom in the reticle becomes thicker on a FFP, this will block more of the target and make precise aiming more difficult . The down side is any sub tensions on the reticle will only be true at a certain magnification .

If you plan to get into a deciplin that requires quick shots at changing distance then a FFP will suit you better .

The reticle that was posted is .15mil thick so at 1000yds. Would be 4.2 " of target coverage at 1000.. If I recall the v-bull is 5" .. So you've essentially covered the whole vbull
 
ORA PR is only shot out to 800 or 900 yards (depends on the match director). ORA PR follows the NSCC course of fire, and that goes out to 800 meters.

ultimate_monkey said:
Haha I'm just trying to get to the point , "precision rifle" is a pretty broad term , if your shooting ORA it's stationary targets at set distance . So now we got a good start !
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ORA PR may be at set distances, but it does have movers. Clean the mover and you have a good chance of winning the match if you do well in all of the other areas. All of the guys who shot 50's with high V's on the movers run FFP.

ultimate_monkey said:
Shooting for score , a second focal plane scope may be a better option . As you zoom in the reticle becomes thicker on a FFP, this will block more of the target and make precise aiming more difficult . The down side is any sub tensions on the reticle will only be true at a certain magnification .
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You've got it backwards. Notice that BOTH the reticle AND the target are changing size in the FFP scope when you change magnification? In an FFP scope, the reticle stays the same size relative to the target. It is always the same size relative to the target , regardless of the magnification setting. That is the point of FFP. Its in the SFP scope that the reticle changes size relative to the target when you change magnification. That is why the reticle is only accurate at one magnification. At half magnification, the reticle covers twice the amount of target, and so on...

ultimate_monkey said:
The reticle that was posted is .15mil thick so at 1000yds. Would be 4.2 " of target coverage at 1000.. If I recall the v-bull is 5" .. So you've essentially covered the whole vbull
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0.15 mil is the width of the 0.5 mil hash marks, not the thickness of the fine lines. Not that that even matters since the TMR has a center aperture, making it impossible for the reticle to cover the aiming point on the target. In the 8.5-25x TMR, the center aperture is 0.06 mil (0.2 MOA) and the fine lines are 0.02 mil (0.069 MOA). On most high end FFP scopes, the fine lines are 0.025-0.035 mil (0.086-0.120 MOA) for the popular reticles (Gen XR, G2 DMR, MSR, Klein, P4F...). For comparison, the MOAR reticle on Nightforce's 5.5-22x SFP scope is 0.140 MOA at 22x. It will be twice that at 11x, and four times that at 5.5x.
 
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Yep. Thick reticles are generally found on the cheap FFP scopes and ones with Horus reticles. These tend to be 0.05 mil thick.
 
I have a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 with the TMR that I bought for my LRB M25 due to it being the right size for the rifle. Good scope but for precision rifle ( FTR FOpen or Tactical ) there are better options . Here are my recommendations based on personal ownership :

S+B Pmii 12-50x56 ( This is what sits on my F Open and Tactical rifles )
NF BR 12-42x56 ( This is what sits on my F/TR rifle because I cant afford another S+B )
NF NXS - superior across the range to the Leupold
Sigtron Siii esp the 8-32x56 - owned two or three and sold when I went to S+B but they are excellent scopes and optically as close as anything to NF
 
Tomochan said:
I have a Leupold Mk 4 8.5-25x50 with the TMR that I bought for my LRB M25 due to it being the right size for the rifle. Good scope but for precision rifle ( FTR FOpen or Tactical ) there are better options . Here are my recommendations based on personal ownership :

S+B Pmii 12-50x56 ( This is what sits on my F Open and Tactical rifles )
NF BR 12-42x56 ( This is what sits on my F/TR rifle because I cant afford another S+B )
NF NXS - superior across the range to the Leupold
Sigtron Siii esp the 8-32x56 - owned two or three and sold when I went to S+B but they are excellent scopes and optically as close as anything to NF
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I've been very happy with my leupold ERT 4.5x14 which sits on my 308 LMT. This next purchase is for my 300 win 5r , so after so many suggestions I might start to take a closer look at S&B. Other than Wolverine who else sells them and again what reticle or model would you S&B owners recommend. Thanks
 
I would go with the MSR if available, since the Gen2 XR is no longer available in S&B IIRC. You may only find the P4F in stock though. Make sure to get the P4F and not the regular P4 or you'll only be feeding into the FFP thick reticle myth.
 
The P4F reticle is excellent but as he above poster says make sure it is the P4F not the P4. As for a scope being wonderful on a .308 LMT that isn't very relevant to the selection for a serious long range precision rifle.
 
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