Precision Shooting vs. Practical Shooting

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The point of this post is not to start a fight. I was hoping for some thoughtful advice from a group that likely obsesses about accuracy and precision in shooting. I like target shooting but my primary motivation behind practicing my shooting is to build both confidence and skill for hunting. I primarily still hunt and occasionally set up over open cuts (so far without much success - not finding legal game). Given my approaches and skill level, I would expect short-range (50 m or less) shots offhand or longer, supported shots (150-200m). This is certainly not long range shooting, likely a “chip shot” for most of the people on this forum, but I am aware of my current limits. For now, my objective is not to stretch the limits of distance but to improve my accuracy and precision for my set ranges.

It seems that a lot of the precision shooting disciplines began as tests of practical hunting or military skills. Over time, the pursuit of accuracy seems to have trumped practicality. This is not a criticism, the focus on improving accuracy can inform training and encourage technical innovation which can then feed back to more practical endeavours. Perhaps I am wrong, but it does not seem that the technique for precision rifle shooting offhand (e.g. high powered rifle or 10m air rifle) are not easily applied to the field – assuming the highly particular shooting posture used in these disciplines does not seem very applicable to a hunting (or combat) situation. When I search for articles on improving accuracy, I invariably come across article on precision shooting.

What I would like to know is, what elements, techniques or training from precision shooting are most useful for someone interested in improving their skill with the objective of improving their shooting skill for hunting?

Perhaps another way to ask the same question would be, ”What is one activity or training drill would do you think is the best one for improving shooting accuracy for hunting.” My current focus is very small targets like toothpicks shot offhand at short ranges (22 ft) with open sights. The the matchstick and know your limits videos from the Utah long range shooters were the inspiration for this approach.

Thank you for your help
Cheers,
Morel
 
Two things that transfer regardless of practical or precision. Breath control and trigger control. If your breath gets ragged or tight from excitement when you spot game, you will take a bad shot. If you jerk the trigger from excitement, same thing.

Precision teaches calm and focused shooting, with emphasis on repetition of exactly the same shot mechanics. This trains "muscle memory" that will kick in under the pressure of a "practical" shooting scenario.
 
How much carry-over really depends on the discipline in question. Some precision disciplines have more things that carry over than others. The US version of Precision Rifle has a lot more practical carry over than our version or disciplines like F-Class, Target Rifle/Palma or NRA Highpower. It IS practical shooting, thats the goal of it: to simulate real life.

-field improvised shooting positions
-shooting is from walls, fences, stumps, branches, rocks, etc... There is usually some positional shooting (standing, kneeling, prone with a sling)
-distance are oddball and sometimes unknown (shooter has to range the target ahead of time or on the fly)
-no wind flags (need to read mirage/vegetation)
-no sighting shots, all shots count and you usually only get to take two shots at any target (except movers, because there are few of them).
-matches often have stages with slope shooting (uphill/downhill shots).
-moving targets vary in speed and distance (always different)
-shooting has tight time limits
-course of fire is usually different at each match, as it would be in real life

The techniques used in these matches for shot correction, hold-overs and hold-offs, and leading moving targets are practical and carry directly over to combat/hunting provided you have the right equipment. They can be used and practiced on a square range sucessfully.

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Thanks for the link! This is the kind of thing I have been looking for.
 
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I wish we had more of these competitions/areas to practice in. Same with handgun courses. In the states they have "realistic" ranges to practice moving and shooting. In Canada, we don't have a lot of variety when it comes to shooting and practice... at least where I live
 
Have you considered taking a drive to crown land and have some fun shooting in various positions, conditions and distances?

Why not practise where you hunt?

Your interested in position shooting under field conditions. Outside of the lower mainland, there is tons of area to go enjoy this form of shooting and practise.

Range work to confirm the gear and ammo is up to the task. Then in the field to simulate the conditions you will experience.

Formal matches in Western Canada do not support alot of the positional and movement catered to in the US... pity. maybe in time.

BC tactical match might be something you want to consider?

Jerry

PS if you ever wanted to know how well you can shoot prone at LR, consider an F class match. You can gain a huge amount of info and practise in this form of match. We have guys using their hunting rig... they find out real fast if their gear is working or not.
 
I'd have to agree. Service rifle is available in many provinces and you will shoot prone, sitting, kneeling and standing. You will run then shoot as well. Not many other disciplines have it all like that.
 
PRS has all of that, and it's done at unknown distances, has multiple distance strings at odd distances , movers at different speeds and slope shooting, all without the benefit of sighters. Going from the PRS type matches to SR was easy, going the other way would not been as easy. Each match is also different as things are in real life.
 
Look at this video from 5:47 on.

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Not uncommon to have to run an obstacle course with all of that stuff peppered in, including unsupported standing and kneeling positions. Standing shots on targets the size of our Fig. 12 are at 300-400 yards or more.
 
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We shoot the CAFSAC CoF in Ontario. Still very basic in comparison to PRS. If there a more advanced version of SR, it is not open to civilians.
 
There is no prs in canada yet. If he's looking for the best one available to help with hunting SR is about it for now. PRS shooting is pretty advanced and to do well you have to have a grasp on the fundamentals. Same with SR really but the guns in SR are easier to handle if you ask me.
 
Or the BC version of PR. It would be the most practical version of PR in the country. The most advanced version.

We NEED to get PRS going in Canada. All of these KD one-distance-at-a-time matches are just TR re-packaged. They all evolved from it, and in comparison, they all look like it. They're fine as an intro, but we need to move into the 21st century and have advanced CoF matches like our southern neighbours have.
 
Currently writing the match syllabus/rulebook so that it can be presented to council and to my local club. My local club has put in bunkers on each side of the range at 100, 200, and 300 yard for steel. And I have a non-metalic mechanical mover with a flasher that can be used outside of the bunkers and does not require patching. The match at the local range will be an intro.

What we need is for council to approve the match and get us access to the range that keeps being mentioned at every meeting. Then we can have long range PRS style matches.
 
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Having shot a fair number of matches down south the two biggest obstacles we have to overcome up here are finding enough volunteers to staff a match and finding the land to do it on. Each stage needs at least one RO to run it and some of the stages require very experienced RO's to watch for the safety aspects. Just look at the stage in the above video. That RO has to run that stage with every competitor and if they are hard runners the RO has to keep up and that may require two RO's at that stage so the RO can cycle out. Very few of the matches are run on square ranges and quite a few are run on private ranches. It requires a lot of logistics to move 50 some shooters around and keep stages up an running (Steel falls over at the worst times) It is something that would be fantastic to see take off up here.
 
A scorer on a spotting scope is also needed at each stage to record hits. The logistics are considerable, which is why all of those matches are only held annually.

The square ranges those are held on are the kind where you can shoot at multiple distances from the same firing point. A single butts with a moving firing point really isn't well suited to these matches. The range being looked at for a long distance match isn't a small arms range.
 
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