Precision Stag 10 builder

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Who is a reputable Stag 10 builder for a precision rig in 308 ?
Not looking for a frankengun, but for a real accurate rig to go from coyotes to PRS matches.
1 MOA gun out of factory match ammo is a minimum for me.

Any lead?
thanks
 
How about you? I assembled my AR-15, it was an HBAR upper at one time, now the upper receiver is Norinco with the barrel and other parts Colt. It still shoots about MOA. If I had a better trigger, and optic it would likely be sub MOA. All you require is barrel blocks, a good AR Wrench, a torque wrench, a good set of punches, and a vise. It really is a simple job if you are even a little bit "handy".

As for Factory Ammo, if your looking for precision hand loading is the way to go.
 
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Just about any monkey with a few tools can put one of these together, so any competent gunsmith can do the same. Not likely going to see any difference in performance regardless of who put it together.
Im honestly surprised IKEA doesn’t make AR15’s and their larger brethren like the stag 10.
 
Putting an AR together is simple but I feel there must be more to it when dealing with a precision rig.
Reloading is a no brainer but MOA with factory ammo is a good reference point.

So selecting good components is all what matters ?
 
Niko-PG said:
Putting an AR together is simple but I feel there must be more to it when dealing with a precision rig.
Reloading is a no brainer but MOA with factory ammo is a good reference point.

So selecting good components is all what matters ?
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In my experience, no there isn’t. There’s no hooah hooah magic that Ive found.

A few years back I built an AR15 tailored towards precision. It was built on Colt USA receivers with an 18” stainless ultra match barrel from Rainier Arms. Built it in the basement one evening, and the only other “high end” bit that I used was a Lantac E-BCG as I got it for a great deal and I read somewhere that it may increase accuracy(I don’t believe it in the slightest knowing what I know now).
Loaded up some 77gr SMK’s and did some load development on it and managed to pull a .562” 5 shot at 100m.
I’m no precision shooter by any regard, but if I can build a rifle in my basement that can pull half MOA, so can anyone else with the right tools.

Currently waiting for the winter to piss off so I can take my Stag10 out and see what I can manage with that guy.
 
The accuracy for AR15s and AR10s is mostly in the quality of the barrel. If you use known good quality components, you should be able to easily reach your 1 MOA goal
 
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The accuracy for AR15s and AR10s is mostly in the quality of the barrel. If you use known good quality components, you should be able to easily reach your 1 MOA goal
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Absolutely. I'd like to expand on this a bit. Two of the biggest factors for inherit accuracy of the rifle are going to come from the barrel and a properly head spaced bolt, a high quality bolt free of deformities and imperfections will allow for smooth operation and proper locking/unlocking. The barrel being the heart of the gun is the one area i'd never cheap out on for a build, not all barrels and their builders are equal. Some manufacturers go the extra mile to deliver some great pipes, then there are other manufacturers who can't even time their fluting properly to their barrel and QC seems to be an afterthought...

Next thing i'd be doing is lapping the upper receiver face; this will true the face of the receiver extension allowing the barrel to mate as flat as possible to the upper receiver. And of course last but not least, don't cheap out on a clunky trigger, the trigger is the last piece of the puzzle the user will interface with before the gun goes boom. A nice light crisp 2 stage will give you the best odds to minimizing your trigger finger travel distance ultimately removing the higher possibility of user error due to a heavier trigger that is much more unforgiving.

Optics will be another area i'd want to budget higher, as the saying goes when it comes to buying scopes: Every nickel spent will be a dime in accuracy.

Hopefully that helps, you don't need to be a master gunsmith in order to build an accurate gas gun.
 
talk to jerry tao at mystic precision, he is near you. i know you said you are looking for a 308, but the factory stags in 6.5 creedmoor are capable of 1 moa easily. i have consistantly rung steel out to near 1100 yards with my 24" factory 6.5 stag on a 10" gong. This is not bragging I am just saying that it can be done. most guys in prs use 6.5 or 6 mm any way now. after my first match i bought a 6.5 creedmoor. no point in trying to reinvent the wheel. plus i saw how much better ther 6.5 high bc bullets cut the wind. i get near the same ballistics from my 6.5 creedmoor as i get from my 338 lapua. near the same drop and windage. i have only seen a couple of people use gas guns at matches. one guy accidently discharged his gun and was disqualified. he was moving and the safety wasnt on. it is a different animal the gas gun. the movement of the bolt cycling in awkward position can affect your ability to self spot. with practice anything is possible. i still use a bolt gun in prs. like the previous guy said good glass is very important too. good luck
 
Ballistic Advantage guarantees 1MOA from their barrels. Put a rifle together with one of those and a decent BCG and you'll be all set.
 
Just buy a factory built rifle, if you believe the guys on the site there are guys claiming 1 moa from their stock rifle. I don't really believe this as it's probably more like 2 moa consistently with a once or twice a day fluke sub moa group. Not that it really matters since coyotes and deer within 400 yards won't be able to tell the difference, and if you're shooting in the field in an event or under pressure to get that yote before it turns tail and vanishes you're not going to notice the difference between a 1 moa rifle and a 2 moa rifle.

Either way though if you bought a factory rifle and didn't think the accuracy was good enough you could always spend another $500+ and just swap the barrel. Swapping a barrel later on is simple.

I only suggest this because you say you want to pay someone to build one for you and don't want a frankengun. That means factory built to me.

Building an AR-10 from parts is not as easy as building an AR-15, not in the actual assembly of the rifle but in the sourcing of the parts. AR-10 do not have a milspec standard so if you're shopping for parts you need to make sure that everything is compatible. This isn't hard to do but it's not as simple as it is with an AR-15.
Factory Stag rifles also have a lifetime warranty including warranty on the barrel so if you get one that shoots well enough to it leave stock from factory you carry a full lifetime warranty, if you build it or have it built you will have no warranty at all.

Lifetime warranty on the barrel :ar15: Sounds like a challenge to me :p
 
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Just buy a good trigger and barrel, it’ll shoot sub MOA.
I’ve built a couple, parts are easy to find.
Both of mine had Brownells BCG,Buffer tube assembly.
It’s not brain surgery.
Most of what guys tell you on here is what they’ve read off the webz:)
 
I've used a Shilen barrel to put together a precision AR15. I've been very pleased with it. It's a great sub-MOA shooter. Shilen also makes barrels for AR10 style rifles in a variety of calibers. The great thing about Shilen AR style barrels is, that they come with matching bolts. The barrels are chambered to match the accompanying bolt ensuring perfect head space. Jerry from Mystic Precision carries Shilen barrels, that's where I got mine from and was very happy with the process. For more information, go here (prices are in US$): http://www.shilen.com/LFARBarrels.html
 
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I've seen a handful of precision Stag-10's down here in South Western BC built with all factory parts, an upgraded, IBI 6.5CM barrel and high end optics. With the correct "driver" these things are competing in our local series (BCPRL) and beating guys with bolt guns. I am not sure what groups all these guys are putting down, but most of them are not having an issue keeping their loads under 1 MOA with 140gr Hornady ELD Match.
 
i did a lot of research on barrels for my STAG and i ended up choosing the ballistic advantage in 308. the rainier arms was a close second. i wanted this to be a 308/7.62 rifle, so i didn't look at the 6.5 barrels.

also, something to note about the STAG10... i went with a LuthArms MBA-1 buttstock, but have found i must leave the cheek rest down. when it is up, it interferes with the charging handle. i'm considering swapping in an MBA-3 carbine version, once i confirm it has more clearance. if that won't work, i will go with a fixed stock and use a cheek bag. just something to watch out for.
 
I've been getting half moa consistently with hand loads/ hornady precion hunter out of my 6.5 cm match faxon barrel although its on my bcl reciever set but that shouldn't make a difference
 
I would go with @Griffin86 Cause he must be the resident Stag 10 guy here! at one point it seemed like he was building a new beauty every week lol. But it's true as far as the accuracy of an AR goes the barrel and head spacing is about all you can do. The rest of the bells and whistles will make smoother and more reliable but not more accurate per say.
 
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