Press Check?

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So what do you guys do to ensure your pistol is actually loaded before you start a course of fire?

Do you rely on a loaded chamber indicator?

Press Check?

Eject mag and check witness holes on your mag?

Nothing- and just take it as gospel that it's actually loaded?



Press check for me. Always.
 
I think a press check is a complete waste of time. Press checks are administrative which means they're not time sensitive. Press checking the slide involves manually pulling the slide back and out of battery which is a dumb idea. Checking magazine capacity before and after chambering a round does not involve disturbing the slide/action and accomplishes the same task. Checking for a seated magazine is much easier and less intrusive than manually playing with the slide/action. Seeing as how during a match or other time sensitive shooting event, no one does a press check as everyone relies on their ability to seat a magazine and chamber a round; why would you not trust yourself and your equipment for the admin load? Keep on mind that all your time sensitive reloads are done under stress and could also be done in awkward positions and/or sub optimal lighting conditions. If there's a chance for mistake it likely won't be during the admin load, so why second guess yourself and do a press check with the potential of inducing a stoppage with an out of battery slide?

As I said, I have no time for a press check, I trust the design, I can feel the round being stripped and fed and I watch the round chamber.

As for an lci and in this case those found on glocks. I have to ask why some feel it is useless? Its visual and tactile and it always works.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
I think a press check is a complete waste of time. Press checks are administrative which means they're not time sensitive. Press checking the slide involves manually pulling the slide back and out of battery which is a dumb idea. Checking magazine capacity before and after chambering a round does not involve disturbing the slide/action and accomplishes the same task. Checking for a seated magazine is much easier and less intrusive than manually playing with the slide/action. Seeing as how during a match or other time sensitive shooting event, no one does a press check as everyone relies on their ability to seat a magazine and chamber a round; why would you not trust yourself and your equipment for the admin load? Keep on mind that all your time sensitive reloads are done under stress and could also be done in awkward positions and/or sub optimal lighting conditions. If there's a chance for mistake it likely won't be during the admin load, so why second guess yourself and do a press check with the potential of inducing a stoppage with an out of battery slide?

As I said, I have no time for a press check, I trust the design, I can feel the round being stripped and fed and I watch the round chamber.

As for an lci and in this case those found on glocks. I have to ask why some feel it is useless? Its visual and tactile and it always works.

Tdc
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The LCI is useless on the Glock, for me anyway. I can never tell by feel of the minor little bump on the extractor if it's loaded or not, at least not with any degree of confidence. Other designs are much better.

Glock "LCI" - LOL!
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Press check is a very simple procedure that just requires a simple bump on the rear of the slide to ensure the pistol is back in battery. It's also confirms 100% that the pistol is indeed loaded. It works for me.

I agree that the witness holes on the mag would work as well, which is similar to what I do on an AR.
 
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GunGuy34 said:
Anybody?
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It goes without saying that you treat every firearm if it's loaded, assuming it's loaded and checking is always a good thing.

Of course you know that, so one reason to do so is to make sure the magazine has fed the round correctly. If you reload, or have a pistol that's a picky eater it's quick and handy to make sure a new recipe/round type is loading correctly from the start. Saves the assumption that you have a hang fire and having to keep it pointed in a safe direction when there's nothing really even chambered :D.

Otherwise it's about safety. I'd rather be overly safe, rather than sorry ;).
 
I don't get it? Don't you guys feel the round being slammed into the chamber? Thats how I know its loaded, it has a very different feel with the slide slamming a round in and the slide just slamming free.
 
I prefer to check as a part of my LAMR routine. But I'm a visual guy and shoot competitively rather than anything business oriented. Also, I don't shoot one of them new-fangled LCI equipped guns and the mags I use don't have reference holes for ten rounds.
So I guess I'm out of the club.
 
loki_81 said:
It goes without saying that you treat every firearm if it's loaded, assuming it's loaded and checking is always a good thing.

Of course you know that, so one reason to do so is to make sure the magazine has fed the round correctly. If you reload, or have a pistol that's a picky eater it's quick and handy to make sure a new recipe/round type is loading correctly from the start. Saves the assumption that you have a hang fire and having to keep it pointed in a safe direction when there's nothing really even chambered :D.

Otherwise it's about safety. I'd rather be overly safe, rather than sorry ;).
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I dunno, I dont load the gun tell im ready to shoot, and when im done shooting the slide stays back, if it doesnt stay back, then i keep muzzle direction safe, pop out the magazine and pull the slide back to check the chamber. Most likely its a week mag spring. Ive never seen a reason to check to see if I loaded my gun or not, cause i know if i did or didnt.

I see that #### in movies all the time, detective pulls the gun out of the holster and checks to see if he has a round chambered. Steven Segal is always doing it with his .45s in the movies. I dont get it, unless its an unfamiliar firearm to you and its just handed to you by someone else just as #### is about to hit the fan, even then, most professionals assume is unloaded and rack a round out, rather then hearing the click when the bad guy comes.
 
I always press check when loading. My pistol has an LCI and witness holes, but it's very easy and takes little time to press check. Hearing & feeling the round chamber can be hampered by other environmental factors, seeing brass lets me know I'm good to go.
 
Clobbersauras said:
The LCI is useless on the Glock, for me anyway. I can never tell by feel of the minor little bump on the extractor if it's loaded or not, at least not with any degree of confidence. Other designs are much better.

Glock "LCI" - LOL!
Glock-22-GEN4-Loaded-Chamber-Indicator.jpg



Press check is a very simple procedure that just requires a simple bump on the rear of the slide to ensure the pistol is back in battery. It's also confirms 100% that the pistol is indeed loaded. It works for me.

I agree that the witness holes on the mag would work as well, which is similar to what I do on an AR.
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The LCI in Glocks stick out much further than that, a quick glance at the BUMP sticking up and a rub with the trigger finger is very evident there is a round chambered. Again, I don't really care if my guns have an LCI or not, I trust the engineers and designers have done their job and that I have seated a magazine and witnessed the round chamber. Remember, a press check is an administrative task, its not time sensitive. Every other reload we all do is time sensitive, the clock is running. However, no one, and I mean no one does a chamber check when the clock is running. Its a double standard which makes the pro press check guys hypocrites. You say you do it to ensure its loaded, yet under stress/clock you don't? So do you do it all the time or not? Is it really making a difference? As I mentioned before, if you do feel the need to do a press check or chamber check or whatever you want to calk it. Removing the magazine and checking witness holes or simply pressing on the top round to ensure the magazine is no longer full is both safer and less likely to induce a stoppage. Like you I do that with an AR or any rifle for that matter. The same manual of arms for all my guns.

GunGuy34 said:
Anybody?
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I don't forget what condition my gun is in, so I don't do press checks or chamber checks.

loki_81 said:
It goes without saying that you treat every firearm if it's loaded, assuming it's loaded and checking is always a good thing.

Of course you know that, so one reason to do so is to make sure the magazine has fed the round correctly. If you reload, or have a pistol that's a picky eater it's quick and handy to make sure a new recipe/round type is loading correctly from the start. Saves the assumption that you have a hang fire and having to keep it pointed in a safe direction when there's nothing really even chambered :D.

Otherwise it's about safety. I'd rather be overly safe, rather than sorry ;).
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I will address these in order. If you can't or don't trust your magazines to feed properly, you have a garbage gun. Replace the magazines or run better equipment. Even the cheapest guns out their will usually feed reliably if the magazines are not damaged. Same issue with a picky gun, its called a lemon, repair or replace it. I take it you don't compete, because if you did you wouldn't be waiting for a hang fire. When your gun goes click you TAP RACK without hesitation, its a risk you take when you compete or train for that matter. Press Check/chamber checking has zero to do with safety. All guns are always loaded, that's how we treat them so a press check/chamber check is not required, the gun is loaded.

relliott said:
I prefer to check as a part of my LAMR routine. But I'm a visual guy and shoot competitively rather than anything business oriented. Also, I don't shoot one of them new-fangled LCI equipped guns and the mags I use don't have reference holes for ten rounds.
So I guess I'm out of the club.
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You don't need witness holes in magazines to confirm a round has chambered. Press the top round to confirm the magazine is not loaded to capacity.

raks said:
I always press check when loading. My pistol has an LCI and witness holes, but it's very easy and takes little time to press check. Hearing & feeling the round chamber can be hampered by other environmental factors, seeing brass lets me know I'm good to go.
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How do other environmental factors hamper your feeling, hearing, and seeing of a round being chambered??

TDC
 
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