Pretty spectacular P08 breakage.

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Somehow managed to crack a large portion off my P08 breach block. I'm just going out on a limb here and assume its age or poor heat treat in 1920.
Probably shot less than 50 rounds of factory standard velocity 124gr ball. Recoil spring is pretty stiff, didn't notice any overpressure rounds.
Only other malfunctions noticed were occasionally the slide would lock with one round left in a few of the mag.

Anyone with any tips to prevent this in the future I'm all ears. 115gr? Custom lighter loads? New springs?

Any with good references recoil spring compression rates and when to replace them?

Edit: The victim is a ~1920 commercial DWM I have to assume is a parts gun as only the frame and trigger bar are serialized and mismatched at that.
 

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Which factory ammo did you shoot? It seems that Blazer and now Federal Eagle are a bit softer than regular 9 Luger. I have read somewhere that 9 Para of the time was not as hot as modern ammo and that it mattered with the P08.
 
I had a p-08. The stories of " It wants Hot ammo" or "it needs a soft load"... lots of different theories out there.
I never did figure out perfect charge.
Although IIRC the nickel plated cases worked well.
Best of luck friend.
 
Which factory ammo did you shoot? It seems that Blazer and now Federal Eagle are a bit softer than regular 9 Luger. I have read somewhere that 9 Para of the time was not as hot as modern ammo and that it mattered with the P08.

P08 pistols need to be loaded with enough powder to create enough pressure to achieve somewhere between 1200 and 1350 fps.

There are a couple of things that could have caused your issue, such as an unnoticeable hangfire or weak spings etc.

The toggle system works very well, unti it doesn't.

Unless it's +P, most standard commercial 9x19 is well within the specs of your pistol

The later P38 doesn't like low velocity ammo much either, unless the springs have bee modified to handle it.

I believe the issue with ammo came from the several types issued during WWII that were intended for submachine guns.

Back in the early seventies, I loaded some steel case/black tip, German issue 9x19 into a P38. On the first shot, the extractor/plunger/spring assembly was ripped off and so was the top strap on the slide. The firing pin tip was broken as well.

Luckily those parts were readily available back then.

An acquaintance loudly proclaimed that his immaculate Inglis, P35 Hi Power would digest that ammo no problem.

Without asking, he grabbed a handfull out of the issue box and filled his mag.

First shot, OOOPPS. There was a flash flame out of the ejection port, the extractor/plunger/spring disappeared and his slide was stuck half way open, on a bulged barrel.

The ammo you used may have been on the hot side and if it used the Blazer Aluminum case, may not have been strong enough.

Sad that happened, but at least the part is available from a few sources. Likely not cheap though.
 
Had similar things happen to a 1917 DWM (1920 property marked too) issued to the East Prussian Police after WW1. The rear end of the breach block kinda just crumbled. Then bought a replacement from Marstar, which was also broken and couldn’t be used and was told tough #### as it was a used surplus part. Bought another from somewhere else, can’t remember where, and same damn thing happened again! Bought one more Breach block and never shot it again. My 1938 Mauser Oberndorf P08 on the other hand digests pretty much every and all 9mm I feed it and asks for more....?

Even shot WW2 German 9mm through it no problems. Steel cased, aluminum cased, lacquered steel. The 1938 sometimes hangs up but it’s the nature of old guns. Just slap that toggle down and keep running.
 
P-08 discussions usually go this way. Either folks say they are an enigma or that they work flawlessly.
My law of averages says add the two and divide...there is how good of a gun that you have.
P-08's are crazy iconic...and the last thing I'd want in a battle situation. The Tommy's & resistance are threading 9 x 19 into the Enfield topbreak 380's as Ad-hoc ammunition; but the Colonel can't use his P-08, as the fodder isn't correct?
Someone will be along to argue that they work great with the ammunition they were designed for...to me that is ceremonial pistol at best.
I can also remember the discussion getting heated over the existence ( or lack of) submachine gun ammo. I'm a believer that it does exist.
Refreshing to get back to debating guns and gear, rather than the rest of the shyte the world is arguing about.
 
if you look at the fracture site.. the steel grain size looks coarse like sand… bad heat treat
To compare.. go crack a metal file in half.. look at the grain size.. itll be very smooth as it is fine grain.
Grain growth occurs when a steel is held at a high temp ( above non magnetic) for a long time. The grain of the steel grows and reduced toughness is the result.
 
if you look at the fracture site.. the steel grain size looks coarse like sand… bad heat treat
To compare.. go crack a metal file in half.. look at the grain size.. itll be very smooth as it is fine grain.
Grain growth occurs when a steel is held at a high temp ( above non magnetic) for a long time. The grain of the steel grows and reduced toughness is the result.

Very helpful comment. I suppose then entire batch of bolt heads would have been over heated that way?
 
years ago , when Century was flogging stuff, I bought a bunch of cheap Milt 9mm, hot stuff, worked great in the MP40, tried one round in a P1 and one was enough.
It was in 20 round plain wrappers, don't remember what the head stamp was. seem to remember smg stamp in paper.

I know of a luger that had a 5 in barrel put on it, standard 9mm will not cycle it.
 
I had half the cocking knob fly off one I was shooting at our old indoor range. We shot in the basement of an old theater, so everyone was just standing around behind and off to the rear side of the shooter. I retrieved the piece and said, "And here, ladies and gentlemen, is why we wear safety glasses!".
 
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