- Location
- South west
Previous LR shooter out of loop for 15 years . Could use a few tips of whats out there. IE lastest proven precision rifles , optics, cartidges. Looking for the 1500m plus hits.
previous LR shooter, lookng 2 re-equip self
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BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
How much do you want to spend? When you get into the mindset of wanting to shoot at things a mile away you likely have to step up the quality of rifles and go with somethign built up by a LR gunsmith. I'd talk to Rick at ATR ( www.albertatacticalrifle.com ) and see what it would cost you to get into the game with a 338 Lapua or equivalent rifle. He's building a buddy of mine a 338 Lapua on a Brno action. Should be a beaut. Hopefully I'll get a sneak peek and be able to tease him abotu how nice his rifle is and that I saw it first!
- Location
- calgary alberta
300 win mag will under ideal conditions do ok on paper at 1500 but that is really pushing the envelope HARD!! 338 Lapua will do it a bit easier, 408 Cheytac easier still and if you want it REALLY easy 50 cal is a no brainer. We had guys who have never shot distance in their life, hitting 700 mtr (still considered very close range) gongs consistantly with our 50s at the 50 cal shoot last July.
The joys of a BIG bullet that moves very little in the wind and that has an extremely predictable trajectory, meaning you need a gale and something fairly substantial in the way, to make the trajectory change much.
Optics and modern day bullets have come ALONG way in the last 10 years, scope mounts and rings also have improved. Suppressors for recoil also have had advances made as have stock designs, all of which makes extreme long range easier to attain.
The joys of a BIG bullet that moves very little in the wind and that has an extremely predictable trajectory, meaning you need a gale and something fairly substantial in the way, to make the trajectory change much.
Optics and modern day bullets have come ALONG way in the last 10 years, scope mounts and rings also have improved. Suppressors for recoil also have had advances made as have stock designs, all of which makes extreme long range easier to attain.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
Welcome back to a most enjoyable sport.
What were you shooting before? Where?
Things have certainly progressed especially in the last 5 to 7 yrs. The smallbores (6mm to 7mm) have really come into their own. The 22cal has taken over service rifle classes but don't do as well beyond the 1000yd/m.
1000yd/m match shooting is being dominated in the light classes by the 6mm and 6.5. In the heavy classes, the 30 and 338 are still doing well but the 7mm is quickly making inroads.
I can only assume that you are paper punching or rock busting. In which case, the fast 6.5's and 7mm are really the best bang for the buck today.
The 6.5-284 is a nice base and will get the 142gr MK, 140gr Amax/SST's to 3000fps. This is all you need to shoot to a mile and beyond. Ballistically, right up there with the big 338's and 50's but at 1/2 to 1/10 the costs.
The 7mm is my present favorite and am shooting 2 7RM's and 162gr Amax. This bullet offers fantastic ballistics for dirt cheap and is readily available in Canada (a big consideration given export limitations from the US). Other very nice cases are the 280AI family, and the 7WSM. In a long enough barrel, easily get these bullets to 3000fps and beyond. The STW and RUM are nice but a bit big for this bullet weight.
At 3150fps, the 7mm Amax is the lowest wind drifting bullet I have ever shot and plenty accurate to 1000m. There will be little issue shooting this bullet well past the mile.
Right now Wildcat bullets (Canadian too YEAH!!!) is on the cutting edge for extremely high BC bullets and has recently released a 200gr VLD 7mm bullet. Based on shooting and comparing ballistics, this bullet has the highest BC of any bullet except for a couple of VLD match 50cal bullets.
Build a 7RUM and a 30" barrel and this rig will easily go 3100 to 3200fps. There is nothing that will come close ballistically. That includes the 50BMG and the enigmatic 408 Chey Tac.
LR development is and has always been driven by bullet development. The new bullets are in smaller cals and really push the ballistics envelop.
Of course, just about anything can make the trip. The 243 with new heavy VLD bullets will and so will the 308 and 155gr Amax (I have shot this to 1500yds already with excellent results). Of course, wind drift is higher but doping is half the fun.
The biggies like the 30, 338, 40 and 50 are excellent too but finding components in Canada is becoming limited and the costs are staggering if you shoot any volume. Also, there are increasing difficulties importing certain cals and components from the US. This makes cals like the 40 and 50 more problematic and again raises costs.
If you want the cutting edge, the big case 7mm and these wildcat bullets are it. You can most certainly have lots of fun with 'lesser' combos like the 162gr Amax and suitable case. Up to you.
Other sites worth visiting is www.longrangehunting.com and www.benchrestcentral.com. Here you can see discussions on some really big iron used for long and extreme range hunting and match shooting. This combines both ballistic performance and horsepower for solid effect on game.
Optics have many many options with quality scopes from dirt cheap to second mortgage. There are numerous products discussed but certainly post your questions.
Many production rifles are so accurate out of the box that they perform as well as custom magnums of 20yrs ago. Custom accurate rifles are simply astounding in what they can do.
The scope of these two topics is enormous so do some research on this and LRH site. Just about any question can be answered.
Enjoy...
Jerry
What were you shooting before? Where?
Things have certainly progressed especially in the last 5 to 7 yrs. The smallbores (6mm to 7mm) have really come into their own. The 22cal has taken over service rifle classes but don't do as well beyond the 1000yd/m.
1000yd/m match shooting is being dominated in the light classes by the 6mm and 6.5. In the heavy classes, the 30 and 338 are still doing well but the 7mm is quickly making inroads.
I can only assume that you are paper punching or rock busting. In which case, the fast 6.5's and 7mm are really the best bang for the buck today.
The 6.5-284 is a nice base and will get the 142gr MK, 140gr Amax/SST's to 3000fps. This is all you need to shoot to a mile and beyond. Ballistically, right up there with the big 338's and 50's but at 1/2 to 1/10 the costs.
The 7mm is my present favorite and am shooting 2 7RM's and 162gr Amax. This bullet offers fantastic ballistics for dirt cheap and is readily available in Canada (a big consideration given export limitations from the US). Other very nice cases are the 280AI family, and the 7WSM. In a long enough barrel, easily get these bullets to 3000fps and beyond. The STW and RUM are nice but a bit big for this bullet weight.
At 3150fps, the 7mm Amax is the lowest wind drifting bullet I have ever shot and plenty accurate to 1000m. There will be little issue shooting this bullet well past the mile.
Right now Wildcat bullets (Canadian too YEAH!!!) is on the cutting edge for extremely high BC bullets and has recently released a 200gr VLD 7mm bullet. Based on shooting and comparing ballistics, this bullet has the highest BC of any bullet except for a couple of VLD match 50cal bullets.
Build a 7RUM and a 30" barrel and this rig will easily go 3100 to 3200fps. There is nothing that will come close ballistically. That includes the 50BMG and the enigmatic 408 Chey Tac.
LR development is and has always been driven by bullet development. The new bullets are in smaller cals and really push the ballistics envelop.
Of course, just about anything can make the trip. The 243 with new heavy VLD bullets will and so will the 308 and 155gr Amax (I have shot this to 1500yds already with excellent results). Of course, wind drift is higher but doping is half the fun.
The biggies like the 30, 338, 40 and 50 are excellent too but finding components in Canada is becoming limited and the costs are staggering if you shoot any volume. Also, there are increasing difficulties importing certain cals and components from the US. This makes cals like the 40 and 50 more problematic and again raises costs.
If you want the cutting edge, the big case 7mm and these wildcat bullets are it. You can most certainly have lots of fun with 'lesser' combos like the 162gr Amax and suitable case. Up to you.
Other sites worth visiting is www.longrangehunting.com and www.benchrestcentral.com. Here you can see discussions on some really big iron used for long and extreme range hunting and match shooting. This combines both ballistic performance and horsepower for solid effect on game.
Optics have many many options with quality scopes from dirt cheap to second mortgage. There are numerous products discussed but certainly post your questions.
Many production rifles are so accurate out of the box that they perform as well as custom magnums of 20yrs ago. Custom accurate rifles are simply astounding in what they can do.
The scope of these two topics is enormous so do some research on this and LRH site. Just about any question can be answered.
Enjoy...
Jerry
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- Location
- South west
previous rifles fnc1/L1A1/ C2
thanks for all the input . lots to look at. Lots of options. What available ranges are there in the BC /vancouver area. Max distances.
thanks for all the input . lots to look at. Lots of options. What available ranges are there in the BC /vancouver area. Max distances.
- Location
- Hudson Quebec Canada
If you are looking for a good reliable Russian Rifle, you are in luck I heard that Armrus.com is having a christmas sale. You can definately get a deal.
Record made by Izhmash the inventors of Kalashnikov's $ 1100 Canadian
Sobol by Izhmash $ 550 Canadian
Americans have been dying to get there hands on the sobol. It has been featured in a number of magazines down there but there is no supply.
Biathlon not sure who makes this one $ 1100 Canadian
Good Luck
Record made by Izhmash the inventors of Kalashnikov's $ 1100 Canadian
Sobol by Izhmash $ 550 Canadian
Americans have been dying to get there hands on the sobol. It has been featured in a number of magazines down there but there is no supply.
Biathlon not sure who makes this one $ 1100 Canadian
Good Luck
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BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
We need to get the mods to change Rick's tag from "Big Mouth" to "50 BMG Pimp"
jwillmoore said:If you are looking for a good reliable Russian Rifle, you are in luck I heard that Armrus.com is having a christmas sale. You can definately get a deal.
Record made by Izhmash the inventors of Kalashnikov's $ 1100 Canadian
Sobol by Izhmash $ 550 Canadian
Americans have been dying to get there hands on the sobol. It has been featured in a number of magazines down there but there is no supply.
Biathlon not sure who makes this one $ 1100 Canadian
Good Luck
None of those guns will reach out to 1500m, Also I wouldn't pick any of those guns for long range shooting. Some arer even 22LR
BTW LR means Long Range
- Location
- South west
i have to agree form what i have seen so far. Thanks for the input though jwillmoore
- Location
- calgary alberta
Apparently you left too soon, we shot later in the afternoon out to 700 mtrs and again the following day before pulling out.Dustin said:
