price check? Webley MK1 in 0.455
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Yes that one in the exchange form is a good deal.
A webley MKI in 455 is much more collectable than one converted to 45 ACP and will only increase in value.
I have sold 3 and $1400 to $1800 is what they go for in good condition of course.
A MKI in orignal 455 caliber sold on Collectors firearms in texas for $1295 U.S Recently. sometimes they sell for less but condition is the factor.
A webley MKI in 455 is much more collectable than one converted to 45 ACP and will only increase in value.
I have sold 3 and $1400 to $1800 is what they go for in good condition of course.
A MKI in orignal 455 caliber sold on Collectors firearms in texas for $1295 U.S Recently. sometimes they sell for less but condition is the factor.
I know one board memeber who recently happily paid 1100 for a .45acp conversion with a chipped hammer spur, repro grips and worn finish, excellent bore and tight lock up. If you use that as a baseline an overall very good to excellent .455 webley is probabley worth about a million dollars.
Regardless of what sky high prices people will pay the reality is that Accuracy Plus just sold an antique Webley MK.I in .450 for $500. It's probably a still posted on their website.
And regardless of what people will tell you if you shoot factory .45ACP in a modified black powder .455 Webley MK.I you will eventually destroy it.
just my 2 cents...
And regardless of what people will tell you if you shoot factory .45ACP in a modified black powder .455 Webley MK.I you will eventually destroy it.
just my 2 cents...
naugler said:
Where you getting these facts from
I have shot 455 Fiocchi in MKIs and MKIIs with no ill effects the cylinders are the same. Fiocchi 455 is 4.5 grains of some flake powder.
I shot up to 5.5 grains of unique behind a 265 gr hollow based bullet 100s of rds thru the gun with no ill effects.
Unless your cylinder is pitted and in poor condition Webleys are tough guns and can handle more than some give them credit.
Webley MKI in 450 for $500? Webley didnt make the MKI in 450
Unless it was 45 ACP converted and was listed as 45.
I Do agree shooting modern 45 ACP in 45 ACP converted WebleyMKIs or MKIIS ect will eventully destroy them.
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dingus said:Where you getting these facts from
I have shot 455 Fiocchi in MKIs and MKIIs with no ill effects the cylinders are the same. Fiocchi 455 is 4.5 grains of some flake powder.
I shot up to 5.5 grains of unique behind a 265 gr hollow based bullet 100s of rds thru the gun with no ill effects.
Unless your cylinder is pitted and in poor condition Webleys are tough guns and can handle more than some give them credit.
Webley MKI in 450 for $500? Webley didnt make the MKI in 450
With all due respect:
I'm not going to get into an argument with you about the merits of shooting smokeless loads in a black powder revolver.
I might suggest that for starters you'll want to read "Cartridges of the World" for info on the differences between the MK.I and Mk.II Webley cartridges.
After that you'll want to do some research on the Webley itself for info on the calibres it was manufactured in. You can start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webley_Revolver
I just never heard of a Webley MKI in 450
Theres lots of Webleys made in 450 caliber which is really just a shorter 455 like the RICs but Webley MKIs all i have seen were 455 or 455 / 476 or converted to 45 acp
The MKI and MKII can both shoot the longer Domoion 455 case as well as the shorter case Fiochhi uses at .750 long
Smokeless loads vary some guys load up to 6 grains of unique or even hotter loads but 5grs of Unique is a safe load in a good conditioned MKI or MKII
Theres lots of Webleys made in 450 caliber which is really just a shorter 455 like the RICs but Webley MKIs all i have seen were 455 or 455 / 476 or converted to 45 acp
The MKI and MKII can both shoot the longer Domoion 455 case as well as the shorter case Fiochhi uses at .750 long
Smokeless loads vary some guys load up to 6 grains of unique or even hotter loads but 5grs of Unique is a safe load in a good conditioned MKI or MKII
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I thought Webley mkI and MkIIs were made in overlapping productions from just about the exact same material. Add a recoil shield and change the grip configuration to something tless comfortable.
There are lots of nitro proofed mkIs and there are lots of nitro proofed mkIIs. There are also lots of BP proofed examples of each.
There may well be a .450 webley mkI out there but I doubt it. Not confused with a bulldog or an enfield are you? I have some webleys and a bunch of 450 ammo and it is a long way for the bullet to travel in the cylinder! as for the wickapedia refrence that is a pretty sketchy reference. I know there are a couple CGNers who really know thier stuff who might chime in.
Or maybe a belgium copy?
The mkII cases will produce higher pressures then the longer mkI cases and be less accurate (in my guns) but they are safe in any good condition mkI or MKII.
As for .45 acp. I agree factory .45acp is not for webleys. 45 autorim maybe but for my peace of mind I say reload .45acp to comfortable pressures using the correct diameter bullet.
If any one else finds a 500 dollar webley mkI or MKII out there in any calibre
please let me or Dingus know immediatley!
There are lots of nitro proofed mkIs and there are lots of nitro proofed mkIIs. There are also lots of BP proofed examples of each.
There may well be a .450 webley mkI out there but I doubt it. Not confused with a bulldog or an enfield are you? I have some webleys and a bunch of 450 ammo and it is a long way for the bullet to travel in the cylinder! as for the wickapedia refrence that is a pretty sketchy reference. I know there are a couple CGNers who really know thier stuff who might chime in.
Or maybe a belgium copy?
The mkII cases will produce higher pressures then the longer mkI cases and be less accurate (in my guns) but they are safe in any good condition mkI or MKII.
As for .45 acp. I agree factory .45acp is not for webleys. 45 autorim maybe but for my peace of mind I say reload .45acp to comfortable pressures using the correct diameter bullet.
If any one else finds a 500 dollar webley mkI or MKII out there in any calibre
please let me or Dingus know immediatley!
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Just a word on using smokeless powder in BP guns. Reloading Smokeless powder in pistol/revovler cases is always dangerous if not done properly. I bet More modern rugers blow up in peoples hands in a year then do antiques. If you put too much pistol powder in a pistol/revolver you will have tragedy. If you load the right amount of powder you will not have a tragedy.
It is all about being smart and responsible.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO DAMASCUS BARRELED ANTIQUES (they are never safe to fire IMHO due to internal corrosion of the hammer welds in the barrel)
It is all about being smart and responsible.
THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO DAMASCUS BARRELED ANTIQUES (they are never safe to fire IMHO due to internal corrosion of the hammer welds in the barrel)
david doyle said:
You've never heard of a .450 Mk,I???
Than you've likely never heard of one in .476 either...this doesn't mean they don't exist.
Regardless - shoot what you want in your black powder cartridge guns - I'm sorry I mentioned aything...
The .450 Webley mentionned was a No.1, not a MK.I, so I assume that it was an RIC.
Webleys can be shot loose if loads are too hot.
To this day the Birmingham proof house will proof test and approve damascus barreled guns for smokeless loads.
Webleys can be shot loose if loads are too hot.
To this day the Birmingham proof house will proof test and approve damascus barreled guns for smokeless loads.
tiriaq said:
Thats what i figgered
Hey if that Webley MKI was 450 it must be worth a Zillion Bucks
Lucky bugger who grabed that one eh! Webleys can be shot loose thats why i only loaded 5 grs of unique as a final load.
But cause of Win 38 55 im gona look into AA 5744 as it even milder than unique and recomended for older guns.
Anyone try it in a 455 load???
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I just got some info on XMP 5744 from Accurate regarding reduced loads for 44 mag and 45 Colt. In a nutshell they do not recomend it except with light bullets. Seems that if you go below a certain load density there will be a LOT of unburned powder.
With the Webley Mk I or II there's oodles of published data, and it's all good. I believe a good target is about 650 fps with the hollow based 260 gr. bullet. I've put hundreds of rounds through both marks at this velocity with absolutely no problems. I've also had some loaded hotter (about 720fps), and that didn't hurt anything either---but why bother.
It doesn't matter whether you use Mk I or Mk II brass as long as you take the smaller case capacity into consideration for the Mk II.
455 Colt factory ammo is hotter than I'd personally want, and the book says if you're using 455 Colt data it should be reduced by about 1 gr. for the short Webley.
Fiocchi ammo chronos at around 650 fps.
With the Webley Mk I or II there's oodles of published data, and it's all good. I believe a good target is about 650 fps with the hollow based 260 gr. bullet. I've put hundreds of rounds through both marks at this velocity with absolutely no problems. I've also had some loaded hotter (about 720fps), and that didn't hurt anything either---but why bother.
It doesn't matter whether you use Mk I or Mk II brass as long as you take the smaller case capacity into consideration for the Mk II.
455 Colt factory ammo is hotter than I'd personally want, and the book says if you're using 455 Colt data it should be reduced by about 1 gr. for the short Webley.
Fiocchi ammo chronos at around 650 fps.
Rodagra, excellent advice and knowledge as always thanks for sharing you add to the enjoyment of a lot of shooters. (me especially)
Naugler, lighten up I can tell you for sure that everyone on this post knows what a 476 is. And just in case you don't follow a lot if BP and antique posts may I respectfully suggest that Dingus knows a pile more about webley products then does the wickapedia encylopedia.
Tiriaq that is cool about the proofing of damascus barrels. They must do a radiograph to check for internal corrosion? maybe.
Any way everyone continue to play safe and enjoy the fine old guns we love.
Naugler, lighten up I can tell you for sure that everyone on this post knows what a 476 is. And just in case you don't follow a lot if BP and antique posts may I respectfully suggest that Dingus knows a pile more about webley products then does the wickapedia encylopedia.
Tiriaq that is cool about the proofing of damascus barrels. They must do a radiograph to check for internal corrosion? maybe.
Any way everyone continue to play safe and enjoy the fine old guns we love.
