Problem dialing in scopes.

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I have always been an iron sights guy, my Dad showed me how to use irons on an old garand and I up graded over the years to the m14 and later to SA. But i never really learned the technique for using a scope. I got a scope on my norinco right now and i keep screwing up when Im dialing it in. Ive got a mount that seems to move between shots and i dont really know what Im doing. So Ive got some questions.
Do the arrows that say "R" and "Up" on the dials mean that turning them will bring your splash right or up? Or does it mean that turning them will bring your crosshairs right or up to your splash?
 
Do the arrows that say "R" and "Up" on the dials mean that turning them will bring your splash right or up? Or does it mean that turning them will bring your crosshairs right or up to your splash?

I'm assuming its a 1/4 minute of angle scope.
Moving one click right moves the point of impact 1/4 inch TO THE RIGHT at 100 yards.
So 4 clicks for an inch.
Moving one click up moves the point of impact 1/4 inch UP at 100 yards as well.
 
R and up means that turning them will move the splash. Easiest way to sight in a scope:

Fire a fouling round anywhere at the target, outside the main target area. Wait 5 minutes for the barrel to cool down. Now remove the turret covers on the scope. Fire a round at your target. Holding your rifle steady, at your original point of aim (centre of the target), turn the scope adjustments until the cross-hairs line up with the hole in the target from your fired round. This will bring your next round within an inch of bulls-eye. However, you CANNOT allow the rifle to move during this process.

Typically, I use this method but centre the vertical cross-hair and set the horizontal one an inch high at 50yds. Then fire for confirmation. Usually only takes a couple of rounds to zero a scope, then 3 for a group, and then move out to 100, 200, 300yds to confirm actual trajectory.
 
Well first off, that mount needs to be fixed before you waste any more time and ammo. If the scope mount is moving it's no good. Secure it properly and then continue. Once you have done that, follow these steps:

1. make sure your gun is boresighted. Take it to a gunsmith to do it if you don't have a boresighter or access to one.
2. shoot one or two rounds at the paper at 100 yards from a shooting rest or bench. It's best if you are at the range or somewhere where you know the exact yardage.
3. Remove the turret caps from your scope.
4. Now, let's say your first shot hit the paper and is 4 inches to the left and 2 inches low from where you want it. That means you have to adjust the windage (left/right) 16 clicks to the right (the scope turret will have an arrow on it indicating if turning clockwise is left or right. (remember 1 click is 1/4 inch, so 16 clicks will be 4 inches). Then adjust the elevation (up/down) 8 clicks. This will bring it up 2 inches.
5. Fire another round to see where you hit the paper
6. If it is still off, repeat step 4 until you like where its hitting.

This process is likely going to have to be repeated a few times. If you are a member at a range and are still having trouble, I suggest asking somebody there for help. I'm sure somebody would gladly help you. Best of luck.
 
If your scope has two turrets, the one on the top adjusts elevation and the one on the right side adjusts windage. If you have two turrets and one is on the left side of the rifle, the scope is mounted incorrectly and needs to be turned to bring the windage adjustment to the right side. If your base mount is not tight and free of movement you will never achieve desirable results, so do whatever is necessary to ensure it doesn't move. The scope rings must be attached tightly to the base and free of movement. The rings should be tightened snugly onto the scope tube, but not so tight as to mar the scope tube or stretch the screws. The best technique short of an inch pound torque wrench is to hold the screw driver between your thumb, index and middle finger with the screw driver pointing straight down from your finger tips. Held thusly, you will be unable to over torque the screws, but they will be tight enough to prevent the scope from moving under recoil.

Move both the elevation and windage adjustments to the center or their travel. To do this turn the dial until you reach the stop, then count the turns until you reach the other stop, then adjust back half way. Now you are ready to sight in.

Take up a solid shooting position at 25 yards. Its best to use a rest of some description, but shooting prone will work if a rest is unavailable. Dry fire a few times to ensure that the scope reticle does not move off target when the hammer falls. If it does you might need to adjust your rest or your position. Now fire 3 rounds at the target. Lets assume your bullets hit the target in a tight cluster 4 inches to the right and 2 inches high of the aiming point. If one bullet lies well outside of the group you need to fire another round or another group. Adjust only in one direction at a time. We'll start with your windage which needs to move left 4".

The windage dial on the right side of the scope moves the windage, and your scope might have quarter minute, half minute, or even eighth minute adjustment. If you have a European scope, each click might equal 1 cm per 100 meters. We'll proceed as if you have quarter minute adjustments as these are the most common. To move 4" at 100 yards would require 16 clicks, but because you are starting at 25 yards you need 64 clicks, or 16 minutes. Your scope adjustments might be calibrated with short and long hash marks. Each of the long hash marks indicates I minute, so you need to move the equivalent of 16 of the long hash marks. Most scopes require that you rotate the adjustment backwards to the direction you want to go, so you would make a clockwise adjustment to move your bullet impact to the left.

If your target is too shot up to easily see new bullet impacts, swap it out for a new one and do this at each stage of the sight in process. Now that your scope is adjusted, fire another group. This should bring you on target, but because the adjustments are not always exactly what they are supposed to be, you might have to fine tune your adjustments with another group or two.

With your windage correct, now repeat the exercise for elevation. You only need to adjust for 2" now, so that is only 8 minutes of adjustment at 25 yards. The scope adjustment is probably counterclockwise to raise the point of impact, but there is probably an arrow and the word UP indicating the direction of adjustment to move the point of impact up. Lets assume you are now zered at 25 yards, so now its time to go back to 100 yards.

At 100 yards you will find that your rifle prints pretty close to where it did at 25. This is because your initial sight in was for the bullet first crossing the line of sight, and now it is falling back across your line of sight. It should take minimal adjustments to get your 100 yard zero, but at 100 yards each click of adjustment equals a quarter inch on the target. So If you need to move the point of impact 1", you only adjust 4 clicks.

Once you are zeroed at 100 yards, you can keep that zero if you are restricting your shooting to 100 yards, but most folks want a 200 yard zero. The rule of thumb here is 2" high at 100, and you can easily do that, while shooting at 100 yards, but it is much better to actually shoot at 200 yards if you can arrange it. You might find that your windage needs to be tweaked again and this won't be evident when shooting at 100. At 200 yards each click of adjustment will shift your point of impact a half inch. Once you have achieved your 200 yard zero, I would encourage you to shoot at 300, just so you come to understand how that much range will effect your groups size and the amount of drop on the target.
 
Well first off, that mount needs to be fixed before you waste any more time and ammo. If the scope mount is moving it's no good. Secure it properly and then continue. Once you have done that, follow these steps:

1. make sure your gun is boresighted. Take it to a gunsmith to do it if you don't have a boresighter or access to one.
2. shoot one or two rounds at the paper at 100 yards from a shooting rest or bench. It's best if you are at the range or somewhere where you know the exact yardage.
3. Remove the turret caps from your scope.
4. Now, let's say your first shot hit the paper and is 4 inches to the left and 2 inches low from where you want it. That means you have to adjust the windage (left/right) 16 clicks to the right (the scope turret will have an arrow on it indicating if turning clockwise is left or right. (remember 1 click is 1/4 inch, so 16 clicks will be 4 inches). Then adjust the elevation (up/down) 8 clicks. This will bring it up 2 inches.
5. Fire another round to see where you hit the paper
6. If it is still off, repeat step 4 until you like where its hitting.

This process is likely going to have to be repeated a few times. If you are a member at a range and are still having trouble, I suggest asking somebody there for help. I'm sure somebody would gladly help you. Best of luck.
1. I take a bit of exception with the necessity of having the rifle boresighted and then firing your first rounds at a 100yd target without even knowing if it is on paper and most people can't see the bullet hole at 100yds away. Why do people do that?? Set your scope. Set up a target at 25yds, fire, and adjust as I indicated above. At least you can see where the rounds have landed with the unaided eye.
2. Telling him that all scoped are 1/4 inch per click at 100 is simply not true. MOST scopes are that way, but I have 3 higher end scopes that are 1/8" per click at 100yds. Perhaps it is better to have the OP read the info off of the scope turrets themselves.
3. You never adjust to the first rounds, and you should be ultimately adjusting to the centre of a group. What if the first round you fired was a fouling shot and you adjust for that and then the next is way the he!! off, then you are adjusting for that, and then back again if it was a flier...you'll be chasing bullet holes all day. If the shooter/rifle cannot fire a group, how can you untimately adjust for it?
 
1. I take a bit of exception with the necessity of having the rifle boresighted and then firing your first rounds at a 100yd target without even knowing if it is on paper and most people can't see the bullet hole at 100yds away. Why do people do that?? Set your scope. Set up a target at 25yds, fire, and adjust as I indicated above. At least you can see where the rounds have landed with the unaided eye.
2. Telling him that all scoped are 1/4 inch per click at 100 is simply not true. MOST scopes are that way, but I have 3 higher end scopes that are 1/8" per click at 100yds. Perhaps it is better to have the OP read the info off of the scope turrets themselves.
3. You never adjust to the first rounds, and you should be ultimately adjusting to the centre of a group. What if the first round you fired was a fouling shot and you adjust for that and then the next is way the he!! off, then you are adjusting for that, and then back again if it was a flier...you'll be chasing bullet holes all day. If the shooter/rifle cannot fire a group, how can you untimately adjust for it?

You are right, you shouldn't start at 100. I don't even shoot at 100 yards, I just said it for simplicity sake because most scopes are set up for 1/4 at 100 yards. Personally, I always start at 50 meters when sighting in. Again for simplicity I assumed 1/4 increments. The OP doesn't even know that his scope base has to be properly secured...I thought I'd keep it as simple as possible.
 
if working with a newly purchased good used scope, might be a good idea to centre the adjustments. I had one that was cranked almost all the way to one side!
 
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