Problem with 30-06 load- advices needed

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I tried a hunting reload this weekend for my father's 30-06 and it did not work well at all :(

-Rifle is a Remington 700 BDL with a quickclip conversion
-Brand new Winchester case that were full lenght resized, lenght verified and chamfered
-Federal 210M primer
-Nosler Accubond 180gr bullets at 3.340 OAL (max to fit in magazine)
-Tried Varget 44,0 gr, 45,0 gr and 46 gr, all charge weigthed with scale
-Used Lee die with Lee factory crimp die

Loads were tested by 2 differents shooters. With factory Remington ammo we got 3 shots groups within an inch at 100 yards.
With all reloads we got 6-8 inches group :eek:

Any idea on what can be the problem ?
What do you use with Nosler Accubond in your 30-06 ?
And please no ''Lee are bad products'' advices. They work well for my 308. ;)
 
I am not saying that the Lee crimp die is bad but try not crimping them since the Accubond doesn't have a crimp groove. I have shot Accubonds in my 338 RUM uncrimped and they shoot great. Those are some wicked sized groups, what does the rifle usually produce for group sizes with other ammo?
 
Silverback said:
I am not saying that the Lee crimp die is bad but try not crimping them since the Accubond doesn't have a crimp groove. I have shot Accubonds in my 338 RUM uncrimped and they shoot great. Those are some wicked sized groups, what does the rifle usually produce for group sizes with other ammo?
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1 inch or less with factory hunting ammo
 
Umbakrail said:
Any idea on what can be the problem ?
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  1. Forget about crimping non-cannelured bullets.
  2. Try a slower powder, IMR or Hodgdon 4350 or 4831 are better choices for the 180 grain bullet. Personally I use Reloder 22 under the 180 Accubond and Ballistic Tip
  3. Check your over-all length in the chamber of the rifle you are loading for. While you are right on the maximum length for that cartridge it is very possible your rifle has a shorter throat and you are jambing the lands a bit.
 
Here's some thoughts: If that is a 700 Remington, it's unlikely that you are close to the lands, even at 3.340" Most of my 700 have throats closer to 3.450", but of course, once you do the Kwik-Klip conversion, you no longer have that nice long magazine to work with.
The slower powder suggestions are good ones. My '06's like IMR 4831, Norma MRP, RL 22, RL 19, H4831, Vihtavuori N160, and H450 [now gone] with 180 grain bullets. The Accubonds shot best in my 700SSDM with Norma MRP and RL22. Next best was IMR4831.
Do not crimp the Accubonds or Partitions. No need, and they have always shot best without for me. Are you lubing the inside of your necks with powdered graphite or Motor mica? If not, variance in bullet "pull" may be the culprit.
One other possibility, perhaps your rifle just does not like the Accubond...it does happen, even with bullets that are renowned to be accurate like the Ballistic Tips. I had one 6.5x55 that just hated the 120 Ballistic Tip and would not shoot it at all.
Hope you can resolve your issues with info received. Regards, Eagleye.
 
Liek the rest, slower powder (I use h 4350 the most in 30-06) and no crimp...

It's also possible that your die is seating the bullets crooked, which can happen with any brand of dies, relaly.

If you don't have aCasemaster too or similar, try rolling them over a flat hard surface and see if you can see any bullet wobble.:)
 
I have to agree with Boer seun I use IMR4831 54.4gn with 165gn Hornady BTHP and they work great. Not saying this will work great for you. You just gotta find out what she likes.
 
[QUOTE='Boo]
  1. Forget about crimping non-cannelured bullets.
  2. Try a slower powder, IMR or Hodgdon 4350 or 4831 are better choices for the 180 grain bullet. Personally I use Reloder 22 under the 180 Accubond and Ballistic Tip
  3. Check your over-all length in the chamber of the rifle you are loading for. While you are right on the maximum length for that cartridge it is very possible your rifle has a shorter throat and you are jambing the lands a bit.
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Times 2-- H4350 with no crimp.
 
As stated above, the most obvious problem is crimping a noncannulared bullet. I prefer 4831 in my .30-06 loads and interestingly I've never had good results with Winchester 760 in the '06, and Varget has a similar burning rate. Still, I believe that you shouldn't have to tweak a load to the nth degree to get acceptable hunting accuracy (< 2") and if this is not possible perhaps you have a rifle problem rather than a load problem, but try some loads without crimping before you look too much further.
 
try 55-56 gr H4350 with a 180 Accubond seated as far out as you can (but still function in the magazine).

should work...
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I never crimp train stopper loads in .375 h&h , so maybe its not really a must for the old 06.:D The 06 likes IMR 4350 , and a fair bit of it. My loads were around 55 - 56 grains using a 165 gr bullet.
Frank
 
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