Problem with my 2 restored enfields

Danielbear22

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A couple years ago I restored a couple lee enfields no 1 mark 3 *'s and I'm satisfied with them BUT one of the rifles when I shoot it has a problem opening the bolt, pulling the bolt back and pushing it forward. When I have no ammo in the magazine the rifle runs smoothly and appears to have no issue. What gives?

Second rifle is is pretty much the same thing but doesn't have a 2 stage trigger anymore but rather similar to a traditional hunting rifle?

Need info from anyone who has experienced this or has advice on how to fix this.

Thank you
 
I think the No.1 has the trigger attached to the trigger guard, like on the No. 4 Mk1 or Mk1*. Go over to the milsurps site into their "library" and read up on instructions from Peter Laidler how that trigger, and trigger guard have to be set within the stock - is not like "modern rifles" - may need shimming, etc. to get spacing and alignment correct - but he explains that - with original parts, you should have a good double stage trigger pull - he helps trouble shoot when that feature "goes away" - is a function of incorrect assembly.
That reading may lead to assessment of the entire action bedding - perhaps your receiver is being torqued or mis-aligned, preventing the bolt from running within its raceway, or from interference from the magazine. Not a "drop-in" and "bolt together" piece of machinery...
 
Potashminer's got it.

First mistake folks make when "restoring" these is to assume it's a simple drop-in affair.

For both your rifles you will need to take them apart, assemble only the metal bits on the action (including Snider Shooter's important mention - the front trigger guard bushing, or spacer). Then observe how the trigger behaves on the sear, how the sear behaves on the cocking piece. If you have a proper two-stage trigger then, well you will want to replicate the exact position of the trigger guard once the stock is reassembled. You may be scratching your head for a while, because sometimes it's not easy to figure out what part of the stock requires tweaking.

On top of that, you may want to check (with Peter Laidler's, and other's, info found on milsurps.com), if your forend is properly bedded. Not to go in detail here but there are a lot of things that have to be just right. Recoil draws contacting the action's recoil lugs, solid contact between the backface of the forend and the receiver "butt socket", contact under the barrel at the knox, free-floating barrel between knox and mid-barrel ring, etc etc.

I've been bedding SMLE forends for some 20 years now, and still sometimes I find myself wondering what the hell is going on with some problems I encounter. Maybe that's why I like playing with these guns so much.

About the first problem you mention. Quick check, see if there is contact between the cocking piece and the front of the buttstock when you cycle the bolt. If that's not the issue, you may need to describe exactly what happens, or where it may be binding, or better yet try to show us a short video of the problem happening?
 
Thanks for your help guys. Looks like I'll have some work on my hands. I don't know how to post but perhaps if you pm me your email or number I will gladly send you some videos.
 
Was thinking about your bolt "dragging" issue - might be as simple as the cartridges in the magazine rubbing on the bolt? Would go back to spacing / positioning of the magazine when installed into the stock? As above, would probably be good idea to remove the forearm and get it working correctly with no wood involved - then work to re-install within the wood and maintain those spacings. The No. 1's that I messed with fed very slickly - the only rifle I have had to open the bolt to make sure a dummy round had actually gone into the chamber - they should feed that slick...
 
Have you tried another magazine. Usually where I start. On rebuilds your wood may have swollen or shrunk, climatizing to your home. Could be pressure build up somewhere or not enough pressure. Sometimes I swap out parts until I find the issue. I had a #1 mklll that was really hard to change the mag. The trigger guard had a small mag opening. I had to file the front of the mag opening to enlarge it. Small things can get you. I tried multiple mags and different trigger guard. Started measuring the opening and found the problem.
 
There's some good advice in this thread so far. For your No.1s remember to check the amount of tension provided by the forend stud spring. This is a critical point for accuracy on these rifles. The stocking up on the No.1 was done extremely deliberately and most "restored" rifles have not been given the right base to shoot to their potential.
 
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