Production equipment placement... old question but have to ask/comment.

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Well the Provincials are done and I have to ask/comment on my situation that required me to reposition my holster and front mag pouch.

First off... I'm 5' 5" with a 31" waist and weight 137 LB... Small person I am. Shoot Production.

I know where/what my hip bone is and that all equipment must be behind the front of my hip bone.

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I was told at Chrony that my equipment was too far forward. I showed them where MY hip bone is and touched the front of my hip bone and that the front of my equipment is just behind the front of my hipbone. I was told as a general guide line that equipment should line up with the middle seam of your pants. Yes... true that is in the area of one's hipbone but my equipment was still just behind the front of my hipbone. Anyhow, I sensed that I was going to get nowhere on this issue without putting up a big stink and having to call over the RM so I made the quick adjustment.

By nature I'm one who avoids conflict unless I really have too and seeing that I'm in the middle of a match I didn't want to make a fuss... Should I have called over the RM to to make the final decision OR was I incorrect with my equipment placement?

Did it affect my performance... after chrony was lunch than off to stages 1 & 2... I did ok on Stage 1 but messed up 2 a bit, could have been the 1 hour break and a full tummy or maybe the re-positioning of my equipment but the rest of the day went well.
 
I noticed one of the guys on your squad at the "truck stage" It was in the morning (3rd rotation) and not sure if it was you...but who ever it was...the equipment was way too far in front.

I was perplexed that this individual managed to make it to the third range before anyone noticed...:confused:

I pointed it out to the CRO...who discussed it with the RM and the individual was asked to move his equipment.

The fact is (IMO) no one should ever be asked to move their equipment once the match has started. If you don't meet the requirements of the Division...you get bumped to Open...

Edited to add the following disclaimer: I'm not in any way questioning the the CRO/RM's call. The fact is I'm just a miserable prick sometimes :cool: No RO's, CRO's or RM's were injured in the production of this message. Except maybe Cornbread...over on the corner stage when he was calibrating the steel.
 
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It wasn't me for sure because the truck stage was after the chrony. Actually the truck stage was our very last stage and then home time. I don't recall seeing anyone from our squad having to adjust equipment during the truck stage.
 
Ya...too many faces and names for me to remember...:cool:

I may get a pair of shooting pants made up with a silk screen of your hip bone graphic on each side (better safe than sorry) :D



The ROC said:
It wasn't me for sure because the truck stage was after the crony. Actually the truck stage was our very last stage and then home time. I don't recall seeing anyone from our squad having to adjust equipment.
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The ROC said:
I was told as a general guide line that equipment should line up with the middle seam of your pants.
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That's not in the rule book. Everyones body is different and there are a lot of different styles of pants too!

I find that I have to have my holster placed about 3cm behind my hip bone to ensure that the entire pistol lies behind that point.
 
raks said:
That's not in the rule book. Everyones body is different and there are a lot of different styles of pants too!

I find that I have to have my holster placed about 3cm behind my hip bone to ensure that the entire pistol lies behind that point.
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EXACTLY! I've heard other shooters at a match say that and I just shrug it off. But when an "RO" at the Provincial say those exact/ similar words it put self doubt in my mind. Thus preventing me from calling on a CRO or RM to finalize.

I believe that is what he was judging my equipment placement on. The middle seam of my 5.11 tactile shorts and not where MY front hip bone is located on MY body. Hey.... What do I know... I'm not a RO.... yet. Patiently waiting for the next RO course close by to me.
 
No one prevented you from doing anything...you chose not to.

The ROC said:
EXACTLY! I've heard other shooters at a match say that and I just shrug it off. But when an "RO" at the Provincial say those exact/ similar words it put self doubt in my mind. Thus preventing me from calling on a CRO or RM to finalize.
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Quigley said:
No one prevented you from doing anything...you chose not to.
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EXACTLY!! I didn't do anything about it because I became unsure of myself and though maybe just maybe I was the one in the wrong and didn't want to cause a fuss during the Provincial.

That is why I posted my question. Should or shouldn't I have called the RM but after discussing it here I've learnt a lesson and will speak up the next time. I'm learning....
 
By all means in this case...call for the RM...as long as you are sure your are correct...

If a RO/CRO makes a legitimate call...and gives you the opportunity to move your equipment (and it's questionable if that's the correct thing to do) than move it.

If your equipment is too far forward...and you decide not to move it...and bring the RM into the picture...you may end up shooting in Open.

Interesting question...and the answer is probably not as black and white as it should be...

The ROC said:
EXACTLY!! I didn't do anything about it because I became unsure of myself and though maybe just maybe I was the one in the wrong and didn't want to cause a fuss during the Provincial.

That is why I posted my question. Should or shouldn't I have called the RM but after discussing it here I've learnt a lesson and will speak up the next time. I'm learning....
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Quigley said:
Edited to add the following disclaimer: I'm not in any way questioning the the CRO/RM's call. The fact is I'm just a miserable prick sometimes :cool: No RO's, CRO's or RM's were injured in the production of this message. Except maybe Cornbread...over on the corner stage when he was calibrating the steel.
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I am still waiting on my cornbread, I thought he was going to make us some to eat... :D Oh well maybe at the Sharon match....
 
Quigley said:
The fact is (IMO) no one should ever be asked to move their equipment once the match has started. If you don't meet the requirements of the Division...you get bumped to Open...
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Technically, it should be recorded on the equipment sheet, along with number of pouches, magnets, holster position, etc (not much used in Canada and US). You get a warning first time and after second occurrence you moved to Open.
 
euxx said:
Technically, it should be recorded on the equipment sheet, along with number of pouches, magnets, holster position, etc (not much used in Canada and US). You get a warning first time and after second occurrence you moved to Open.
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As yes...the "Shooters Passport"

The last time I remember seeing those used in Canada was at the Barrie Nationals around 2003 or 2004

They are a good idea though...
 
Yeah, actually I AM NOT a good person to ask about those kinds of things, I find IPSC rules so ridiculous when it comes to Production. What is the point of trying to enforce rules about holster placement when you allow race holsters to be used?
 
Quigley said:
As yes...the "Shooters Passport"
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Yep, seemed like a good idea to me too.

PH Racing said:
What is the point of trying to enforce rules about holster placement when you allow race holsters to be used?
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Same reason why it is discouraged to place a no-shoot on top and above the A of a scoring target but we can't refer to them as 'hostages' in a stage briefing.

In other words WTF? :confused:
 
PH Racing said:
Yeah, actually I AM NOT a good person to ask about those kinds of things, I find IPSC rules so ridiculous when it comes to Production. What is the point of trying to enforce rules about holster placement when you allow race holsters to be used?
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makes sense..I prefer the USPSA rules for production, but use my race holster for standard and production. :redface:
 
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