prohib. barrel lengths

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was wondering if someone could answer me if it is permissable to shorten the lenght of barrel on a prohib. rifle? don't see why not as the rifle is already prohib. thinking of chopping 1 of my hk 93's. tks in advance guys, vern tks fellas delete
 
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That's not a proposition I'd like to test in court; the Code says that sawing, cutting or otherwise altering the length of a barrel below a certain length (unless you're a manufacturer) is prohibited, period, and it doesn't say "unless the firearm is already prohibited or restricted".
 
You cannot chop it,it must be done by a manufacturer and "reverified" with the new length,not that the CFC gives a damn,I've had numerous barrel jobs done without a single reissue of a registration cert,used to be that you had to notify them within 30 days of a change,they have waived that as long as the classification doesn't change they don't care. Info is straight from one of the Ont CFO's drones, other provinces may vary (but I doubt it)
 
Send it to a gunsmith who manufactures custom rifles. There has to be someone who does this - I saw some names in the gun registry awhile back.
 
"restricted firearm"
"restricted firearm" means
(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,
(b) a firearm that
(i) is not a prohibited firearm,
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,
(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or
(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm;
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where does it say anything about modifying barrel length? it's already restricted.

b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;
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the above applies to non-restricted firearms.
 
And at the same time:

"(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,"

DOESN'T make any exceptions for firearms that are ALREADY restricted or prohibited; by a straightforward reading of the law (and, remember, it doesn't HAVE to make any sense), that means if you take an AR-15 with a 16" barrel, and you cut that 16" barrel back to 14" (or any other length less than 457mm), you're creating a "prohibited firearm". What's it worth to you in legal fees to find out for sure?
 
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And at the same time:

"(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,"

DOESN'T make any exceptions for firearms that are ALREADY restricted or prohibited; by a straightforward reading of the law (and, remember, it doesn't HAVE to make any sense), that means if you take an AR-15 with a 16" barrel, and you cut that 16" barrel back to 14" (or any other length less than 457mm), you're creating a "prohibited firearm". What's it worth to you in legal fees to find out for sure?
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but if the overall length is less than 660, and the barrel is less than 457, how does the law apply? once you are less than, you can be accused of making more less than?
 
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but if the overall length is less than 660, and the barrel is less than 457, how does the law apply? once you are less than, you can be accused of making more less than?
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You're desperately looking for SENSE in a series of laws that were written and passed without any regard to "sense", and you make a big mistake if you ASSUME that they were. The law explicitly says "thou shalt not do X", and if you take that to mean "Oh, that can't apply here because I'm already covered", then that's the sort of thing that lawyers absolutely love.
 
With AR's it is a simple thing to swap uppers -- I've never been asked where it was a factory length or a custom. - Similarily you can buy different length bbl's and put them in an old upper.

I had a Hk94 which was refitted with a MP-5 barrel -- this was prior to '94 - but had no worries on the registration of it.

To do a 93 into a 53 you will need a competent smith - and one with experience with Hk's -- Which in reality is few and far between -- unless you know some Mounties at Depot.
 
Chop an H&K

I know of a couple of guys that chopped the barrel on an H&K 93 and they were made to replace the barrel with one in original length.

I replaced the barrel on my 1927 Thompson but an original 10" or 10 1/2" and no problem. But I used a new Thompson barrel.
 
prohib. rifle barrel lengths

hi guys, tks for all the quick responses. i have no intention of doin it with a hacksaw. lol . would have it done by compatent smith. sounds like it might not b a good idea after all. was just trying to get the look of a hk 53 .any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated. vern
 
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