some model s and w 66 have a 4" barrel, but the barrel measures 4 1/8" these are from the 70s. the gunstore i go to just calls them 4". would these guns be just restricted instead of prohib? if these guns are over 4" who would measure it so i could buy it with just a restricted pal?
prohib or not?
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The shop can get the ball rolling if they wanted. When they find a prohib that is actually long enough they would have to get the gun checked "officially" by a verifier who would then contact the CFO and get the gun re-registered. At that point it becomes worth a good amount more money because of the wider market.
Measure it in millimetres to be sure.
Criminal Code and Firearms Act says 105mm. By my calculation that's 4.1339 (4.14) inches. 4 1/8 is 4.125. But math is not my strong point.
Measuring at the right location would be important too.
Or the CFP should have the firearms reference table info for that make and serial number.
Criminal Code and Firearms Act says 105mm. By my calculation that's 4.1339 (4.14) inches. 4 1/8 is 4.125. But math is not my strong point.
Measuring at the right location would be important too.
Or the CFP should have the firearms reference table info for that make and serial number.
I was at the range one day and two gentlemen there were shooting thier pistols. One had an STI 1911 with the shortest legal barrel length and the other had a Colt trooper with a 4" barrel. The colt was actually BIGGER than the STI, yet was prohib. Christ, even the barrel was longer. The fact that the chambers arent included in the barrel length wth revolvers, but is with a semi.These rules are so stupid and bullschitt. A handgun is a handgun. Sorry, I had to rant that one off.
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It's kinda an interesting subject.
I have an HK P7 PSP. Specs for barrel make it just under 105mm length but because the CFO measures it from the bolt face to the end of the barrel it makes it just over at 105.5mm if I remember correctly. In order to not be prohibited it must be over 105mm. That means it could be 105.1 and its classed as restricted.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree a handgun is a handgun and the entire way they measure revolvers is crap. Honestly don't understand the entire prohibited class. Wether the barrel is 100mm or 108mm its still a very easy to conceal firearm just the same.
I have an HK P7 PSP. Specs for barrel make it just under 105mm length but because the CFO measures it from the bolt face to the end of the barrel it makes it just over at 105.5mm if I remember correctly. In order to not be prohibited it must be over 105mm. That means it could be 105.1 and its classed as restricted.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I agree a handgun is a handgun and the entire way they measure revolvers is crap. Honestly don't understand the entire prohibited class. Wether the barrel is 100mm or 108mm its still a very easy to conceal firearm just the same.
Absolutely correct - that's why you can still run into "prohib" P7's, normally they were just measured incorrectly - it's an expensive mistake since a prohib will be hard to sell and won't get the same price as a restricted. If anyone has a prohib P7, feel free to PM me - I'd be happy to give you half of what it's worth.
The actual, precise length of the barrel would have to be determined.
I have seen two systems mentionned for measuring the barrel length of a revolver.
One is to measure the exact length of the barrel, end to end. A caliper or larger micrometer could be used.
The other way, which is apparently the method used by the powers that be, is to measure the length from the face of the muzzle to the face of tha cylinder. A caliper or depth micrometer could be used.
Get the exact measurement, and if it exceeds 105mm, get a verification, and apply for reclassification.
It has been done before.
Autos are measured like rifles, to the breech face. HK P7 with 105mm barrel should be registered as 107mm, the headspace is 1.65mm or so. Any fraction of a mm is lawfully rounded up, even 0.01mm, which is about half a thousandth of an inch.
Revolvers are being measured to the cylinder face (front of the forcing cone), especially when verifiers are officially equipped with a simple rod. Most use digital calipers, which is what CFC will insist on seeing photos of. Recently some CFC staff have insisted on measurements from several calipers. All nonsense, of course.
S&W 66 can definitely have a 105mm barrel, and with the cylinder gap, this becomes 106mm, rounded up. They are certainly worth measuring if you own a prohibited one.
I agree with the rant, but we all heard it, no changes to laws about Prohibs. Those laws are keeping us all safe. So measure away, you have better odds than buying lottery tickets.
Revolvers are being measured to the cylinder face (front of the forcing cone), especially when verifiers are officially equipped with a simple rod. Most use digital calipers, which is what CFC will insist on seeing photos of. Recently some CFC staff have insisted on measurements from several calipers. All nonsense, of course.
S&W 66 can definitely have a 105mm barrel, and with the cylinder gap, this becomes 106mm, rounded up. They are certainly worth measuring if you own a prohibited one.
I agree with the rant, but we all heard it, no changes to laws about Prohibs. Those laws are keeping us all safe. So measure away, you have better odds than buying lottery tickets.
I love those Midway USA videos! I don't know why the Gov didn't just make the length at 4 inches. That would make whole lot of very nice revolvers legal to own for people like me that have jumped through the hoops they can, but will still never be worthy enough.
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I didn't know they rounded up the length. Good to know.
They picked the numbers to prevent the large amount of Toronto PD revolvers that were about to be sold into the from being placed into the nonprohib class. And yes, it is an extremely stupid law. About what I expect from retard liberal thinking, however. - dan
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I've got an old Colt Army Special that is registered prohib, but measures restricted. I might get it changed, or I might not, it doesn't matter to me. If my son decides he wants an old wore out Colt DA some day, I might get it changed for him, but maybe by then the classification of firearms will be rescinded.
