Project AR180B front load gas system, also Tavor rear sling mount *PICS!*

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Problem:
The free float rail on my AR180B makes it unable to field strip the piston assembly. To clean the piston, I have to remove the rail or remove the gas block.

Solution:
A piston assembly that removes out the front of the gas block.
GasSystem-Assembled.jpg

Note: The round black thing by the reciever is what the free float rail mounts too. I'm making up a new one.

Stainless steel cylinder and piston. Piston and operating rod are all one piece, so only one moving part on the entire gas system. Gas Block is 7075 aluminum. All the work is done by the stainless parts, the aluminum just holds them in place.
GasSystem-Parts.jpg


Cylinder engages the gas block using an interrupted thread. The piston and cylinder are fed through the gas block and then the cylinder is given a 1/4 turn to lock it in place. The cylinder cap lever (no shown) locks with a spring detent, as well as tightening down against the face of the gas block when the cylinder is turned.
GasSystem-CylinderThreadDetail.jpg


I still need to do some more machining on the gas block. The bottom needs to be slotted and the clamping screw holes drilled and tapped. Some minor changes need to be done to the gas block so I'll likely make another one after the first prototype is completely finished. Then I find out if it will come shooting out the front. ;)
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Oh, and because those stupid strings threaded through a hole were pissing me off, I made a Tavor sling mount. A few will be available for sale soon. Planning to make a front one as well.
TavorSlingMount.jpg
 
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I dont know if your setup is for testing only but I guarantee you will have problems with the materials you are using. Aluminum is no good for a gas block and stainless steel wont stand up to being a piston.
 
I dont know if your setup is for testing only but I guarantee you will have problems with the materials you are using. Aluminum is no good for a gas block and stainless steel wont stand up to being a piston.
The reason I went with aluminum is that it is so easy to machine. I didn't want to spend a bunch of time and headache on a hard material just to find out it doesn't even work. Plus we have tons and tons of aluminum scrap kicking around and lots of stainless in the sizes I needed. I was going to make the whole thing out of stainless, but went aluminum for testing. I've never claimed to be an expert on metals, what do you suggest for materials that would work best on the final version? 4140?

So you haven't cleaned your 180B until now?
Do you need the aluminum parts anodized?
I cleaned the piston system when I felt it was getting dirty enough to clean, it was just a pain in the ass to do because I'd have to pull the gas block off. I have anodizing capabilities in house but thanks for the offer to study and steal my design. ;)

:D
 
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Im really not sure what would be the best but from reading about other AR piston retro kits and their evolution/problems.

The early CMMG piston kit had gas blocks melt becasue they were made of aluminum and PWS early kit had problems with the piston warping being made out of stainless steel ( now use some kind of tool steel with a coating), of course these problems show up quickly with rapid fireing.

I think 4140 stainless alloy would be great for everything except the piston.
 
I think 4140 stainless alloy would be great for everything except the piston.

Simple 4140 that is case hardened to about 50 rockwell would be just about right I think. No need for stainless on pistons etc unless you are shooting corrosive, even then the chromed pistons such as the one on the VZ58 hold up just fine to corrosive ammo.

I wouldn't over think it and make the whole thing out of 4140.
 
Yeah, I'm thinking I'll make the final one out of 4140. Guess I'll have to order some small bar stock. Also some tools as we don't have any carbide smaller than 1/4".

I'm also thinking I might skip the slotted and clamp style mount and do a double set screw from the bottom.


There is no such thing as 4140 stainless.
 
ok. it's starting to sound like you're talking out of your ass.

4140 will rust. Quite quickly too. It's NOT stainless. In fact, it's still a carbon steel, just with lots of Chromium and Molybdenum for strength.

416 is most certainly stainless.
 
ok. it's starting to sound like you're talking out of your ass.

4140 will rust. Quite quickly too. It's NOT stainless. In fact, it's still a carbon steel, just with lots of Chromium and Molybdenum for strength.

416 is most certainly stainless.

Stainless Steel AISI 4140 is different son of a machinist.

See ya,thread destroyer :)
 
There is no such thing as STAINLESS 4140. Read the actual Google hit instead of just posting the page thinking that is proof. The data on that page is the properties of AISI 4140 alloy steel. NOT stainless 4140 as you claim.

You got confused, likely between 410 stainless and 4140 steel.
 
You know Bryce, you ain't half bad for a Stubblejumper.

And Ozz, I did read that link. Hence my previous comment.

The rectal speech has been amazing, but it's getting stale.
 
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