Hi everyone, ive been reading some posts and stuff but i just want to outline my specific situation and understand if it's legal. recently obtained my PAL and looking to buy either a SKS or Mossberg 500 first anyways i dont plan on buying a gun safe or cabinet just yet so if i trigger lock my guns put it away in a hard or soft case in my closet, is that considered proper storage? or do i have to lock the closet door as well and or remove the bolt
Proper Storage?
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Yes a trigger lock meets the legal requirements.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm
With a trigger lock on, or a cable lock through the action, you can just leave the darn thing lying around anywhere in the house if you want. The only stipulation you need to worry yourself with, in uncased storing or displaying of non-restricted firearms is that the ammo cannot be readily accessible to the firearm. Essentially your four options are:
Guns and ammo in the same room:
1. Gun is locked in a "difficult to break into" case, no trigger/cable lock required. Firearm is not openly stored/displayed, so it considered not within easy access to unlocked ammunition.
2. OR the ammo is locked in a box/case, gun can be out of case, also with secure locking device in the trigger/action.
3. OR gun AND ammo are both are locked in the same "difficult to break into" case, no trigger/cable lock required. Neither are considered legally within easy access to each other when they're locked together.
4. OR the uncased gun, and unlocked ammunition, are located in very different rooms from each other, with just a locking device on the firearm trigger/action.
Ammunition should be responsibly locked up anyway, whether its in a safe, cabinet, or hardcase with the firearm. The "Careless storage of ammunition" offence in the Criminal Code is very subjective.
86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
It doesn't say to specifically lock it, but if an officer can determine that it's somehow careless, you're gonna get nailed. You can also be charged under the Explosives Act for careless ammunition storage as well.
Save yourself the potential grief and put a cheap lock on your ammo box(es). That way as long as you follow the RCMP storage pamphlet, ammunition is not going to bite you if your gun isn't in a case at any point.
Guns and ammo in the same room:
1. Gun is locked in a "difficult to break into" case, no trigger/cable lock required. Firearm is not openly stored/displayed, so it considered not within easy access to unlocked ammunition.
2. OR the ammo is locked in a box/case, gun can be out of case, also with secure locking device in the trigger/action.
3. OR gun AND ammo are both are locked in the same "difficult to break into" case, no trigger/cable lock required. Neither are considered legally within easy access to each other when they're locked together.
4. OR the uncased gun, and unlocked ammunition, are located in very different rooms from each other, with just a locking device on the firearm trigger/action.
Ammunition should be responsibly locked up anyway, whether its in a safe, cabinet, or hardcase with the firearm. The "Careless storage of ammunition" offence in the Criminal Code is very subjective.
86. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
It doesn't say to specifically lock it, but if an officer can determine that it's somehow careless, you're gonna get nailed. You can also be charged under the Explosives Act for careless ammunition storage as well.
Save yourself the potential grief and put a cheap lock on your ammo box(es). That way as long as you follow the RCMP storage pamphlet, ammunition is not going to bite you if your gun isn't in a case at any point.
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greywolf67nt
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I think we should all stop answering this question. How many times a week is it asked?
If you passed the course you should know. If not REREAD THE BOOK YOU GOT.
If you passed the course you should know. If not REREAD THE BOOK YOU GOT.
First off the RCMP site is not the law, do not use it as such
The law is here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/
The firearms act is not the law on ammo, do not use it as such
The law on ammo is here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-211/index.html
With that out of the way, have you read the firearms act? Why not? It is literally only 75 pages, not doing so could cost you a lot.
As for your question Bootstrap covered it for the most part.
Shawn
The law is here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-11.6/
The firearms act is not the law on ammo, do not use it as such
The law on ammo is here:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-211/index.html
With that out of the way, have you read the firearms act? Why not? It is literally only 75 pages, not doing so could cost you a lot.
As for your question Bootstrap covered it for the most part.
Shawn
dont be that guy be helpful to new people in the sport or just ignore the thread
Midnight Rider
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I agree as that is how we learn is by asking questions . Trigger lock your non restricted firearms , and store them away in the closet . Do not store them in a case for long term as it may cause your firearm to rust . Storage in a gun case is for short term only .
greywolf67nt
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Throw a couple silica packs (those little white pouches that come with all your electronics) and rust will not be an issue. Mine live in gun cases and not a spot of rust if they are dry when you put them in.
That's a piss-poor attitude to have. How about we just stop answering any of your questions?
Don't see the problem with asking in the Newbie FAQ section.
As someone fairly new to firearms ownership I can attest that some regulations even if we've read them benefit from clarification or reassurance. Right from the RCMP website regarding transport of restricted firearms "Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container". I was under the impression a restricted firearm needed to be transported to the range in some sort of (Pelican) hard case and locked. My CFSC instructor had to explain that a locked nylon pistol case was legal for transport. As a newbie my mind says "anyone can break that open with a knife/hammer/whatever" but that's not what the law requires. Not all of it makes sense as an outsider.
As someone fairly new to firearms ownership I can attest that some regulations even if we've read them benefit from clarification or reassurance. Right from the RCMP website regarding transport of restricted firearms "Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container". I was under the impression a restricted firearm needed to be transported to the range in some sort of (Pelican) hard case and locked. My CFSC instructor had to explain that a locked nylon pistol case was legal for transport. As a newbie my mind says "anyone can break that open with a knife/hammer/whatever" but that's not what the law requires. Not all of it makes sense as an outsider.
The OPs question was a reasonable one.
Your response less so. Just because you did, do not assume that everyone has or had to take the "course". Did you know this ?
Not really, it depends.
It depends on where you live, on the coast yeah dont store em there, in the prairies fill you boots. Its all about the humidity where you live. I have guns that have been stored in soft cases for more than a decade with zero rust.
Shawn
