I'm really interested in the prs and I'm daydreaming about having that type of match locally. I have no experience with this type of match and I'm wondering if you were planning a prs intro shoot, what would your course of fire look like. Think 4-5 relatively easy stages to set up and shoot. Ideally stages with no butt party needed. So far, I'm thinking a cold bore shot, some type of know your limits, and a barricade drill. What else would you add? What range would you shoot and how big, or little, would you make the targets. Thanks for your help.
Prs course of fire?
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Rickster66
Regular
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- Montreal, Quebec
You'd have to define the COF based on the distances available to you. You could base it on the COF from the DCRA or ORA or other orgs. They're available online and choose from the stages/distances that interest you. Other options include, as you suggested, KYL and other stage setups. There is a youtube channel that I follow - Long Range Shooters of Utah with some really cool stage setups and competitions. check them out for other ideas link
This year the PRS introduced two skills stages that will be present in every match. They will be used as tie-breakers, and if competitors are tied in them, then it is going to fall to your cumulative stage times. They were recording stage times at the GAP Grind.
The two skills stages are defined in the new rule book in Appendix A-5:
http://www.precisionrifleseries.com/prs_rules.pdf
The first one is ridiculously simple (all of the Pros aced it). The second one involves a barricade.
KYL is a good stage. It gets not only less experienced shooters, but experienced ones with sloppy reloading practices. The smallest plate should be less than MOA and they should be at a good distance (over 300 yards) so that wind is a factor.
Cold bore at 100 yards is a joke. But, cold bore at a reasonable distance is a good stage.
A fun stage is to have three targets at three different distances in three different locations (far left of range, center, far right), and have the competitors engage them in a certain sequence from a few different shooting positions.
The two skills stages are defined in the new rule book in Appendix A-5:
http://www.precisionrifleseries.com/prs_rules.pdf
The first one is ridiculously simple (all of the Pros aced it). The second one involves a barricade.
KYL is a good stage. It gets not only less experienced shooters, but experienced ones with sloppy reloading practices. The smallest plate should be less than MOA and they should be at a good distance (over 300 yards) so that wind is a factor.
Cold bore at 100 yards is a joke. But, cold bore at a reasonable distance is a good stage.
A fun stage is to have three targets at three different distances in three different locations (far left of range, center, far right), and have the competitors engage them in a certain sequence from a few different shooting positions.
Im going to follow this thread closely.
This coming spring I am going to host a local "PRS" style match.
Our club has been hosting monthly long range "fun shoots". Over the past year the local long range group of shooters has about tripled and the level of shooting has also got much better.
This coming spring I am going to host a local "PRS" style match.
Our club has been hosting monthly long range "fun shoots". Over the past year the local long range group of shooters has about tripled and the level of shooting has also got much better.
Here is a summary of the individual stages in this year's GAP Grind. First day was Pro/AM teams. Second day shooters shot individually. Pros always shot first, then helped their AM on the line (coached, gave wind holds, mover leads, etc...). The Pros got their PRS points only on that day. AMs did not get PRS points because you cannot get PRS points when you are being assisted. AMs also got to shoot prone on some stages where the Pros were shooting off an awkward barricade. This is ONLY the second day stages (Individual - PRS points).
1) Accu-Shot Cold Bore
100 yards, prone, 1 rd., 3 pts. for a hit on the 1 MOA circle, 90 seconds
2) Manners Stocks Stretch
IPSC targets at 800, 900 and 1000 yards
Prone
9 shots (3 at each distance)
3 pts. for a 1st round hit, 2 pts for subsequent hits.
90 seconds for all 9 shots at 3 distances
3) PRS Skill Stage 1
In the link above.
4) PRS Skill Stage 2
In the link above.
5) Ride Along Gone Bad
600 yards
Choice of target: Full size IPSC (1 pt.), 66% IPSC (2 pts.) or 45% IPSC (3 pts.) - Have to call it each shot
Fire form the hood, roof and trunk of a police car
9 shots (3 from each position), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 9 shots from all 3 positions
For reference, the 45% IPSC is the same width as the 5 ring on a Fig. 11, but not as tall. We shot this out the windows of the car from the front and back seat on the pairs day
6) PDC Customs Hoodlums on the Street
3 cars on the range at 403 yards, 459 yards and 500 yards.
Each car has 2 IPSC hostage target with a hostile head target next to it's head. Hits on bad guys worth 2 pts. each. -1 pts for every hit on a hostage. Targets had to be engaged left to right, close to far.
AMs shot from prone, Pros shot off a pile of pipes.
8 shots (have to hit bad guy before moving to next target), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 8 shots
7) Copper Creek Shoot House
500 yards
66% IPSC, 2 pts. per hit
Fire form 4 different ports in the shoot house (all kneeling supported through windows, port and tires)
8 shots (2 from each position), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 8 shots
8) Cross Machine & Tool Rocks
450 yards
66% IPSC, 2 pts. per hit
Fire form 5 different rocks (in the ground like tombstones, different heights)
5 shots, 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 5 shots
9) 600 yard Field Fire
600 yards
Choice of target: 2 MOA square (1 pt.), 1 MOA Circle (3 pts.) - Have to call it each shot
Prone
5 shots, 90 seconds
10) Cross Machine and Tool TYL (Test Your Limits)
515 yards
Prone
Target sizes: 12" (0.5 pts.), 10" (1 pt.), 8" (1.5 pts.), 6" (2 pts.), 4" (3 pts.)
10 rounds. Engage the target till you either clean it, use up all your rounds or decide to stop. Miss any shot and you have to start over at the first plate.
90 seconds
11) 500 Yard Urban Mover
500 yards
Prone
12" circle - 3 MPH (twice as fast as our movers)
2 pts. for a hit, 3 pts. for a hit when target is moving across window (2 barricades down range with window cutouts)
10 rounds
3 passes of the mover (track is about 100 yards across)
12) OTM Mover Shoot House
300 Yards
66% IPSC @ 3 MPH
2 pts. per hit
On start command, go up stairs 3 shots off balcony railing, go down stairs 3 shots out window, go prone and fire 3 shots out the low port.
90 seconds for all movement at firing of 9 shots
13) The Deuce and a Half
45% IPSC targets @ 324 yards, 363 yards and 477 yards
2 pts. per hit
Firing from 3 positions on WWII truck: from side of box, through back window and off of roof
9 rounds (3 from each position, engage 1 shot at each target nearest to farthest before moving to next position)
90 seconds to jump up into box of truck and fire 9 shots from 3 positions.
14) Speed Drill
100 yards
5x 1 MOA dots
1 pt. per hit
Start standing behind rifle, on start command drop to prone and fire 1 shot at each dot
25 seconds to go from standing and fire all 5 shots
15) Hostages
100 yards
5x Hostage with 1/2" x 3/4" hostiles exposed
5 shots, 2 pts. for hits on hostiles, -1 pt. for any hole touching a hostage
90 seconds
No sighters, no wind flags, every shot counts and no assistance from a spotter for the Pro (Pro could spot for AM and coach on the firing line).
146 shooters shots these stages in one day, starting at 8am finishing before 4pm with a 1 hour lunch break. As you are walking off a stage, you get your score and the next shooter starts. Scores were tabulated within 15 min of the last shot fired. They are incredibly efficient at running a match at K&M
Pics here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.965945826777068.1073741863.365068423531481&type=3
This is a map of the range that shows where the firing points were and where each stage was shooting. Stages are all running at the same time.
Stages 3 and 13 had targets that were not immediately in front of a berm.
1) Accu-Shot Cold Bore
100 yards, prone, 1 rd., 3 pts. for a hit on the 1 MOA circle, 90 seconds
2) Manners Stocks Stretch
IPSC targets at 800, 900 and 1000 yards
Prone
9 shots (3 at each distance)
3 pts. for a 1st round hit, 2 pts for subsequent hits.
90 seconds for all 9 shots at 3 distances
3) PRS Skill Stage 1
In the link above.
4) PRS Skill Stage 2
In the link above.
5) Ride Along Gone Bad
600 yards
Choice of target: Full size IPSC (1 pt.), 66% IPSC (2 pts.) or 45% IPSC (3 pts.) - Have to call it each shot
Fire form the hood, roof and trunk of a police car
9 shots (3 from each position), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 9 shots from all 3 positions
For reference, the 45% IPSC is the same width as the 5 ring on a Fig. 11, but not as tall. We shot this out the windows of the car from the front and back seat on the pairs day
6) PDC Customs Hoodlums on the Street
3 cars on the range at 403 yards, 459 yards and 500 yards.
Each car has 2 IPSC hostage target with a hostile head target next to it's head. Hits on bad guys worth 2 pts. each. -1 pts for every hit on a hostage. Targets had to be engaged left to right, close to far.
AMs shot from prone, Pros shot off a pile of pipes.
8 shots (have to hit bad guy before moving to next target), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 8 shots
7) Copper Creek Shoot House
500 yards
66% IPSC, 2 pts. per hit
Fire form 4 different ports in the shoot house (all kneeling supported through windows, port and tires)
8 shots (2 from each position), 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 8 shots
8) Cross Machine & Tool Rocks
450 yards
66% IPSC, 2 pts. per hit
Fire form 5 different rocks (in the ground like tombstones, different heights)
5 shots, 90 seconds to move from start position (5 yards back) and fire all 5 shots
9) 600 yard Field Fire
600 yards
Choice of target: 2 MOA square (1 pt.), 1 MOA Circle (3 pts.) - Have to call it each shot
Prone
5 shots, 90 seconds
10) Cross Machine and Tool TYL (Test Your Limits)
515 yards
Prone
Target sizes: 12" (0.5 pts.), 10" (1 pt.), 8" (1.5 pts.), 6" (2 pts.), 4" (3 pts.)
10 rounds. Engage the target till you either clean it, use up all your rounds or decide to stop. Miss any shot and you have to start over at the first plate.
90 seconds
11) 500 Yard Urban Mover
500 yards
Prone
12" circle - 3 MPH (twice as fast as our movers)
2 pts. for a hit, 3 pts. for a hit when target is moving across window (2 barricades down range with window cutouts)
10 rounds
3 passes of the mover (track is about 100 yards across)
12) OTM Mover Shoot House
300 Yards
66% IPSC @ 3 MPH
2 pts. per hit
On start command, go up stairs 3 shots off balcony railing, go down stairs 3 shots out window, go prone and fire 3 shots out the low port.
90 seconds for all movement at firing of 9 shots
13) The Deuce and a Half
45% IPSC targets @ 324 yards, 363 yards and 477 yards
2 pts. per hit
Firing from 3 positions on WWII truck: from side of box, through back window and off of roof
9 rounds (3 from each position, engage 1 shot at each target nearest to farthest before moving to next position)
90 seconds to jump up into box of truck and fire 9 shots from 3 positions.
14) Speed Drill
100 yards
5x 1 MOA dots
1 pt. per hit
Start standing behind rifle, on start command drop to prone and fire 1 shot at each dot
25 seconds to go from standing and fire all 5 shots
15) Hostages
100 yards
5x Hostage with 1/2" x 3/4" hostiles exposed
5 shots, 2 pts. for hits on hostiles, -1 pt. for any hole touching a hostage
90 seconds
No sighters, no wind flags, every shot counts and no assistance from a spotter for the Pro (Pro could spot for AM and coach on the firing line).
146 shooters shots these stages in one day, starting at 8am finishing before 4pm with a 1 hour lunch break. As you are walking off a stage, you get your score and the next shooter starts. Scores were tabulated within 15 min of the last shot fired. They are incredibly efficient at running a match at K&M
Pics here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.965945826777068.1073741863.365068423531481&type=3
This is a map of the range that shows where the firing points were and where each stage was shooting. Stages are all running at the same time.
Stages 3 and 13 had targets that were not immediately in front of a berm.
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I know crses of fire vary from match to match at the discretion of the match director, and not known prior to the match. This is one of the reason I like these kinds of matches vs known distance prone target shooting where sighters, convertible shots and having each round indicated are part of the match. Regarding PRS style matches, are any of the crses of fire unknown distance ie no rangefinder allowed where you use an alternate method of determining distance such as a reticle?
Here is a satellite image or K&M where the GAP Grind was held to help people better understand how a match like this is run. I think this actually shows the GAP Grind during the award ceremony based on the RVs and how the cars are parked. Definitely looks like my truck in the spot where I was parked. lol!
CoF is in post #6. 100 Yard stages were on the 100 yard range, the others went in the order listed with the stages going from the bottom to the top of the common firing line on the right.
Three stages were held on the 100 yards range. One was the cold bore shot first thing in the morning. There was a 5 min. window for all 146 competitors to shoot their cold bore shot. One squad at a time shot the other two in succession, each was shot as one firing line and it took all of 10 min for a squad to shoot both of them and score the targets. Four stages were held on the mover range. Eight stages were held on the 1200 yard range using it's various berms. UKD and Utility ranges were not used on the PRS day. The firing line on the mover and 1200 yard ranges is maybe 180 yards wide (combined). Firing points were a car-length or two wide. On those 12 stages, only one shooter shot at a time. It took about 5-10 min. for a stage briefing. Then each shooter had 90 seconds from start to finish to shoot a stage. As one shooter was coming off the line, another was starting.
146 shooters shot those 15 stages in one day. We started at 8am and finished between 3-4pm. And we had a one hour lunch. It didn't feel rushed and no one was stressing.
CoF is in post #6. 100 Yard stages were on the 100 yard range, the others went in the order listed with the stages going from the bottom to the top of the common firing line on the right.
Three stages were held on the 100 yards range. One was the cold bore shot first thing in the morning. There was a 5 min. window for all 146 competitors to shoot their cold bore shot. One squad at a time shot the other two in succession, each was shot as one firing line and it took all of 10 min for a squad to shoot both of them and score the targets. Four stages were held on the mover range. Eight stages were held on the 1200 yard range using it's various berms. UKD and Utility ranges were not used on the PRS day. The firing line on the mover and 1200 yard ranges is maybe 180 yards wide (combined). Firing points were a car-length or two wide. On those 12 stages, only one shooter shot at a time. It took about 5-10 min. for a stage briefing. Then each shooter had 90 seconds from start to finish to shoot a stage. As one shooter was coming off the line, another was starting.
146 shooters shot those 15 stages in one day. We started at 8am and finished between 3-4pm. And we had a one hour lunch. It didn't feel rushed and no one was stressing.
I've put a collection of PRS match manuals up on a shared drive. Some are mine, some were sent to me by match directors and friends, one was posted on the web. Includes the Las Vegas Precision Rifle Challenge that just happened (it had a stage at a MILE this year! - 1760 yards).
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz8xWo1mARG5Yy1mQ3RIcE5Qblk&usp=sharing
I'm going to update the graphic above to show how the stages fire across each other to make maximum use of the range.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bz8xWo1mARG5Yy1mQ3RIcE5Qblk&usp=sharing
I'm going to update the graphic above to show how the stages fire across each other to make maximum use of the range.
358Rooster
CGN Regular
- Location
- Central Saskatchewan
Thanks Kombayotch, this will help me a great deal. I ran a very small match (call it a pilot) last fall with a similar layout as shown in post #14 and I'm always looking for ideas. The biggest hurdle I encountered was finding enough range staff to ensure things ran smoothly and to keep shooters focused (it's more of a challenge than one might think to keep the gun talk & story telling for after the event!
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My COF ran 6 stages; 6 different shooting locations, multiple targets of different sizes, all positions (different pos. requirements for each stage), squads of 4 (2 teams of 2 shooters) per round. Targets ranged from 29 yards to 800, with a bonus target at 1506. As I ended up being the only RO, I elected to keep the time constraints out of it, which was a bit disappointing but it was a good introduction to a lot of the guys attending and allowed me to focus more on safety than score keeping. Only a very few of the shooters had been to an organized match prior to.
All in all, it was pretty successful and the every attendee expressed a huge amount of interest in more of this type of event. We were also successful in the conversion of several hunters - I have a feeling I'll be receiving phone calls from some wives about diminishing bank accounts
It's an evolving thing and your contributions here will be a huge help with that. I plan to run at least one match again this summer, incorporating a lot of ideas from this material.
Rooster
)My COF ran 6 stages; 6 different shooting locations, multiple targets of different sizes, all positions (different pos. requirements for each stage), squads of 4 (2 teams of 2 shooters) per round. Targets ranged from 29 yards to 800, with a bonus target at 1506. As I ended up being the only RO, I elected to keep the time constraints out of it, which was a bit disappointing but it was a good introduction to a lot of the guys attending and allowed me to focus more on safety than score keeping. Only a very few of the shooters had been to an organized match prior to.
All in all, it was pretty successful and the every attendee expressed a huge amount of interest in more of this type of event. We were also successful in the conversion of several hunters - I have a feeling I'll be receiving phone calls from some wives about diminishing bank accounts
It's an evolving thing and your contributions here will be a huge help with that. I plan to run at least one match again this summer, incorporating a lot of ideas from this material.
Rooster
Everyone should say a big thanks to Komboyatch for his knowledge (and willingness to share it) in regards to PRS. If PRS gets a foothold it Canada it will be in a large part due to him.
I hope to have something go on this year and will be sharing it here if things get the final nod. It may not be as involved as PRS at the beginning but given time to grow I think we can have ourselves some good matches.
I hope to have something go on this year and will be sharing it here if things get the final nod. It may not be as involved as PRS at the beginning but given time to grow I think we can have ourselves some good matches.
Glad I can help, and I'm glad to see this type of match starting to happen up here! I've wanted to have this type of match since I moved back here in 2010. I'm glad the PRS and the PRB came around. Before them, it was extremely difficult explaining to people what these matches looked like. They have done a lot to promote it and have a lot to do with the explosion of interest on the US side.
Post #6 has been updated to show where each firing point was and what berms they were firing into. Note the way they make use of the firing line and berms to offer a lot of stages on a standard range. This is typical. Field matches often don't need to do this, but matches held on ranges do.
Post #6 has been updated to show where each firing point was and what berms they were firing into. Note the way they make use of the firing line and berms to offer a lot of stages on a standard range. This is typical. Field matches often don't need to do this, but matches held on ranges do.
One thing I should mention that might be useful to people wanting to run matches. Notice how some stages are sponsored by different companies? Usually when the stages are sponsored like that, people from the company are actually running the stage. Being the spotter and RO. Doing so is one of the reasons why people are so fiercely loyal to many of those sponsors... They don't just provide prizes, they help make the matches possible.
calvados.boulard
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Victoria BC
Very interested in this. Looks pretty challenging, and a heck of a lot of fun.
Thanks,
Cal.
Thanks,
Cal.
