PTRD rebarrel?

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Figured if anyone knew the answer to this it would be the milsurp gurus here!

I heard a legend once of a Korean war sniper rebarreling a Soviet anti tank gun in .50 BMG.

It's really made me curious...would it be possible to rebarrel a PTRD with say a Browning M2 barrel and convert the bolt to have it fire .50 BMG ammo?
 
It is possible. The action will take the pressure. The big problem will be primary extraction. I believe the 14.5 is a fair bit fatter at the case head, so a new extractor would have to be designed and fitted.

As for fitting an M2 barrel, I doubt the thread pattern is the same. I suppose if there was enough clearance, it might be possible to turn an adapter that would screw into the PTRD reciever trunnion and allow the M2 barrel to screw into the adapter.

For the pressures involved, I'd be looking for an unturned blank.
 
I'd imagine that by the time you finished with parts & labour + the existing rifle, the cost of a .50BMG PTRD would be in the range of a low end commerically available .50BMG rifle.

Plus, you'd have ruined a collectable.
 
"...a legend..." Exactly. A North Korean wouldn't have a reliable supply of ammo.
"...would it be possible..." Anything is possible with enough time and money. Mostly money. The trick would be finding a .50 BMG barrel. Marstar is sold out.
 
Really isn't a legend. It was a US armorer that re-barreled a PTRD to .50 BMG using a M2 heavy barrel. It was used by a US sniper. It can be done. I am trying to do it myself. I need a machinist to make an adapter and extractor. Ideally you could have the adapter to thread on the PTRD and threaded on the inside to accept the M2 barrel, that way you wouldn't have to modify the PTRD. The problem then would be the sights.
 
Why not just manufacture PTRD ammo? Should be easier, I guess: use brass pipe to make the bottle part and braze the turned on a lathe butt to it.
Someone was showing me the pictures of his homemade FMJ bullets. He uses copper pipe and lead wire and special bullet dies.
 
When Wolverine brought in their batch of PTRD's, that is exactly what they intended to do.
But once they costed out the labour and parts, etc, they realized it would be too costly, so they sold them as original.
Being a bit of a purist, I am glad they kept them un-bubba'd.
I would rather have an original that I cannot find ammo for, than a rebarreled one.
http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=1282
 
I expect that a barrel could be fitted to the PTRD in such a manner that the original barrel could be replaced without altering the rifle, and spoiling its collectibility. If any chamber work had to be done, any stellite or chrome in a Browning barrel would be a problem. Why not leave the original sights on - the point would be to make a shootable rifle, not a .50 long range sniper.
I really doubt that cases could be fabricated that would take full pressure loads. Usually made up cases are used in black powder or low pressure smokeless situations.
The US sniper was named Brophy. Apparently troops in the area in which he operated disliked him. He would arrive, set up, take some ranging shots down the line, then do a bit of sniping. He would pack up and leave, the lads left behind got the mortar/artillery response to the sniping.
 
Dave - if the original barrel is removed, and another installed without altering the rifle, the original barrel can be replaced, and no harm has been done.
 
I don't see how a manufactured round could be much weaker than a factory round. You can use as thick brass piping as you wish and machine the neck. You can also put a very thick butt in it. Soldering brass is nearly as strong as pressure flown. If you are afraid that the butts can be blown out, you can thread them in addition to brazing. And as you would not be shooting down any Tiger panzeren, full load does not sound like absolute necessity.

It even seems to me that in this diameter the dies can be simply turned out of drill rods on any lathe. This does sound like a viable option to me.
 
There were steel headed, brass bodied .30-06 cases made at one time. The thought was that cases usually fail because of primer pocket expansion. The pieces threaded together, and so the head or the body could be replaced. The brass portion of the case was drawn, not lathe turned from stock. brass rod/pipe, etc. has different metallurgy than drawn brass.
Composite cases would likely work with reduced loads. I'd be queasy about full loads. As far as that goes, how about an adapter that would accept a .50 case necked up to 14.5?
Dies, adapters could certainly be made on a lathe. But it would not necessarily be easy or inexpensive. If I had a PTRD, I would certainly be spending time at my lathe. But If I had one of these rifles, I think I would be changing the barrel.
Years ago, when the Lahti 20mm guns were available and cheap, I heard of a couple of guys who had one and worked at an auto plant and had access to the tool room there on the night shift. They made loading dies, and rigged an automatic lathe (this was long before CNC) to make solid copper projectiles. Cases were repocketed to accept .50 primers.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
 
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I'm gonna say the opposite, and just say go wild and convert it to 50BMG if there is no ammuntion avalible for the PTRD's.

In my opinion is worse to have a safe queen then a working "bubba'ed" rifle. :)

Dimitri
 
Thanks for the detailed answers guys!

It's more of a hypothetical thing than something I am actually interested in doing, but I talked it over with a friend who is taking a gunsmithing course...neither one of us has ever seen a PTRD rifle though, so we were curious.

Thanks for confirmation of the sniper story too. It was one of those things you pick up somewhere and forget the details of (like that it was Brophy). Sunray, sorry I wasn't clear enough that it was an American sniper who did it. You're right, it would make zero sense for an NK shooter to do it...Makes a lot of sense for a Yank though.
 
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