Pump Action Rifle not Tactical

Radar

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Pump Action style rifle are NOT tactical. I was looking at the new style of pump actions firearms that accept AR mags and in my opinion, they are not tactical. They may fit the “need” to be able to accept different magazines but that is it. Tactical to me is shooting with speed, accuracy while shooting in and from different positions.

I had the opportunity to shoot the Remington 7600 with ghost ring sights. It was a pleasure to casually shoot,. I was able to consistently hit metal gongs at approximately 200, 240 and 280 yards.

After firing several rounds and getting comfortable with the 7600, I started to see how fast I could place rounds on metal targets at 25 and 50 yards. The 25 yr target was a breeze but with the ghost sights, the 50 was more challenging. Not a problem firing one round but when attempting to place several rounds on target, the fun started.

As you have to manually cycle (pump) the rifle to feed the next round, I found myself coming off target and having to reacquire the target before firing the second round. My best string of shots were when I would fire, make an intentional small counter clockwise circle to the right of the target with the circle terminating with the sights back on target. With practice, speed increased.

The fun really started when attempting to fire prone. To me, a tactical rifle has to be able to be fired from several positions. Try this with any pump action rifle. Lay down, rifle out from and attempt to stay on target while cycling the action. Unless you have gorilla arms, it can be difficult. Now add firing, keeping the muzzle pointed at the target. You may find this interesting to do.

One issue that I had with the 7600 that I was firing was that standing, kneeling or prone, it would jam. You had to ensure that you did not short stroke the action or you would cause a jam. Ok, operator error but when thinking globally, including the “Oh ####” factor when fine motor skills are lost, this may not be a good thing.

It would also jam when you fired and held a slight rear pressure on the pump mechanism. As the rifle recoiled, the action would move slightly rearward and lock solid. When you are expecting to cycle the pump rearward to eject the spend round, nothing would happen. You would have to apply a slight forward pressure before you could pull back and cycle the action. I thought it was just me but this also happened to others shooters trying the 7600.

These are just my observations of the Remington 7600 pump action rifle (.223 caliber). I would suggest that it would be an acceptable rifle for a hunter or casual shooter but for my idea of Tactical shooting (moving and shooting from different stances and rates of fire) I would not chose this rifle.
 
I concur with your analysis and conclusions...This a fun little carbine, BUT you
would be better served with a semi-auto... AR, Storm, Mini-14, SKS, etc, if you value the abiltiy to move, shoot and stay on target.
I guess that's why I traded mine already!
 
Excellent review, Radar. I passed on one of these early on when they were being offered with a high cap mag - now I'm glad I did. One thing needs pointing out though. Some people are much better than others in their ability to handle a pump. While I am mediocre at best with the old trombone, I have watched some skilled hands that could chuck that slide so fast you could barely see it. When I use a pump gun I find it difficult to keep on target during cycling. Some people have told me that they find the slide is an aid to target acquisition. That is a skill I lack. It seems as though some people were just born with a pump in their hands, and through much practice have perfected the art of pump gunning. In their possession, the rifle could truly be considered "tactical".

Sharptail
 
There's a reason every modern military uses a self loading rifle - it is superior, even the lowest of the low - what's an SKS worth now - is quicker, easier to hit with and more flexible. The "tactical" pumps are truly an answer to a question no has asked.
 
so then a bolt action sniper rifle isn't tactical either then? or a shotgun that is all tricked out for door blowing, or room entries?
 
jjwelin said:
The 7600 was invented for police forces to use as a patrol carbine. The pump action design was used to minimize training in transitions from pump action shotguns.

Not a tactical rifle, but not a bad patrol rifle.

I remember reading about a Police applicant in the states that sued the force because his application was denied because he scored to high on the aptitude test. :eek: Their rational was the uber smart guys get bored and quit; yep you wouldn't want your police to be TOO smart now would you.:rolleyes: Pump, shoot, pump, shoot....ok boss got it.:runaway:

This was all I could find on it.

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/Insig...ype=Article&hdAction=lnkhtml&contentId=872402
 
Slavex said:
so then a bolt action sniper rifle isn't tactical either then? or a shotgun that is all tricked out for door blowing, or room entries?

I thought about those too, then I thought; Naw, this is black and green rifles, not shotguns or precision rifles. He makes a point if it relates to this fourm only.
 
Tactical is a matter of attitude. If you have a 20 round mag in the remington or a 5 round pinned sks I think I'd rather have the remington. It would be "tactically" superior.
 
jjwelin said:
The 7600 was invented for police forces to use as a patrol carbine. The pump action design was used to minimize training in transitions from pump action shotguns.

Not a tactical rifle, but not a bad patrol rifle.
How hard can it possibly to train police officers to use a semi-auto rifle? It's not exactly rocket science...
 
Tactical is a misnomer.

Its the employment -- not the piece of kit.
A Winchester 94 saddle ring carbine can be used as a tactical rifle by LE -- heck it was for years...

The entire intial post smacks to me of someone who wants to draw a divde between a semiauto and other firearms.

All you need to do is see some of the videos of revolver or pump action shooters in action. Some of the guys can easily cycle faster than a semi shooter -- just as accurately.


I'm going to stop typing now since the entire crux of the stupidity in this bothers me.
 
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capp325 said:
How hard can it possibly to train police officers to use a semi-auto rifle? It's not exactly rocket science...
Lol...yes, my thoughts as well. As far as I am concerned, the whole tactical pump concept is just a big marketing ploy. But what do I know, I'm just a CGNer.:D
 
greentips said:
What is TACTICAL??

The cops had been using pump shotguns for aeons....therefore they are TACTICAL because they are using for tactical purpose.

I can use a club for tactical purpose too....yes, it is a tactical baton!!

This is not an attempt to be PC, but proclaiming a tool as non-tactical is misleading becuase it is the purpose, not the tool!! My golf club can be more tactical than a CX4 if I use my golf club tactically to whack someone in the head, while I used the CX4 to shoot paper.

Just my thought on the use of the word "tactical"
Good point :D And well illustrated, too.

My pork missile is pretty tactical. I use it for smashing people in the head all the time. Nuthin' beasts bashing someone in the head with your tactical flesh rocket when they're not looking :runaway:
 
300Spartans said:
Lol...yes, my thoughts as well. As far as I am concerned, the whole tactical pump concept is just a big marketing ploy. But what do I know, I'm just a CGNer.:D
+1 add tactical to any thing firearms related and it will sell better,ie,in the "80"s Reminington came out with a reduced velocity .12ga rd and nobody payed much attention to it ,Federal brought out almost the same rd but called it "TACTICAL BUCKSHOT"=best seller.
I guess Reminington learned the lesson about marketing.

Having said that,it still looks like a good ideal, a pump that takes AR15 mags
 
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