Purchasing Rifle Stock in the US

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Notso5

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Just starting precision rimfire as a new hobby.
Like all newbies we get caught up in the gear.
I'm shooting a Savage Mk2 FV SR and having lots of fun and honing my skills.
We'll be travelling Stateside soon but won't be bringing the rifle.
My question is buying a new stock for the rifle.
I'm considering the Boyd AT-One. They tolding me over email that they ship to Canada without any problems.
If I were to have it shipped to where we are staying in the US and bring it back can I do it legally bringing it across the border myself.
Or worse, if were stopped could I be considered a terrorist(!) for purchasing firearm parts as a non-American?
What duties if any would I have to pay?

Thanks everyone in advance for your replies.
 
Is a repeating theme on CGN - USA has got their rules for what they will allow to leave their country - enforced by their authorities and with their penalties - if you are on their dirt - and it generally does not matter where you are from, that made you an "alien" or "foreigner", if you are on their dirt. Once you cross the magic line and are on Canada dirt, then USA rules and penalties generally don't count any more - mostly just the Canadian rules and enforcement kick in.

No doubt Boyds and Numrich and many other USA retailers have got the permits that allow them to ship stuff out of USA - apparently the firing pins that I just received from Numrich had to be cleared by US Customs to leave USA first, before coming to Canada, where Canada Customs then had to decide whether they were going to be allowed into Canada - as I understand, that USA permit allowed Numrich to send those parts out of USA, but could not tell Canada Customs what was going to come into this country.

I am sure that 99% of it is about crossing "t's" and dotting "i's", but they have prosecutors and lawyers who spend their whole working lifetime playing with that ...

An FYI - beside the shipping cost that you pay to the USA sender, is possible / probable to then get dinged for GST / PST and a "Collection Fee" once the parcel gets to your local Post Office - happens perhaps one of out three parcels for me - from any country - Sweden, Germany, Australia, USA in past few years. And if you have it shipped by courier, be prepared to pay an additional courier "brokerage fee" - over and above whatever you paid to the sender for "shipping" cost - is likely what they paid the courier to get it to you - that extra "brokerage fee" is on you in Canada, not the sender in USA.
 
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US rules have changed substantially, most of this stuff is under Department of Commerce now and not ITAR/Department of State. You can self export up to 500 USD at a time of many parts under the 740.3 LVS exemption. It's possible to self export a lot of stuff under that, and quite a bit of other stuff is a free Canadian IIC and free US Department of Commerce issued export permit away from self export.
 
rommelrommel said:
US rules have changed substantially, most of this stuff is under Department of Commerce now and not ITAR/Department of State. You can self export up to 500 USD at a time of many parts under the 740.3 LVS exemption. It's possible to self export a lot of stuff under that, and quite a bit of other stuff is a free Canadian IIC and free US Department of Commerce issued export permit away from self export.
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can yo supply a link to the changes? Do BAFTA rules apply?
 
Notso5 said:
...I'm considering the Boyd AT-One. They tolding me over email that they ship to Canada without any problems.
If I were to have it shipped to where we are staying in the US and bring it back can I do it legally bringing it across the border myself....
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Handling the export from the USA and import into Canada yourself sounds complicated (if it's even possible for the item you want), compared to paying an online retailer to take care of it for you.
 
Thanks everyone for clarifying this. The laws sound a bit severe considering that the stock is no more than a piece of carved wood no more than a souvenir from a Yellowstone Park gift shop!
Are there retailers in Canada that sell the stocks and in the colour that I want?
 
Potashminer said:
Is a repeating theme on CGN - USA has got their rules for what they will allow to leave their country - enforced by their authorities and with their penalties - if you are on their dirt - and it generally does not matter where you are from, that made you an "alien" or "foreigner", if you are on their dirt. Once you cross the magic line and are on Canada dirt, then USA rules and penalties generally don't count any more - mostly just the Canadian rules and enforcement kick in.

No doubt Boyds and Numrich and many other USA retailers have got the permits that allow them to ship stuff out of USA - apparently the firing pins that I just received from Numrich had to be cleared by US Customs to leave USA first, before coming to Canada, where Canada Customs then had to decide whether they were going to be allowed into Canada - as I understand, that USA permit allowed Numrich to send those parts out of USA, but could not tell Canada Customs what was going to come into this country.

I am sure that 99% of it is about crossing "t's" and dotting "i's", but they have prosecutors and lawyers who spend their whole working lifetime playing with that ...

An FYI - beside the shipping cost that you pay to the USA sender, is possible / probable to then get dinged for GST / PST and a "Collection Fee" once the parcel gets to your local Post Office - happens perhaps one of out three parcels for me - from any country - Sweden, Germany, Australia, USA in past few years. And if you have it shipped by courier, be prepared to pay an additional courier "brokerage fee" - over and above whatever you paid to the sender for "shipping" cost - is likely what they paid the courier to get it to you - that extra "brokerage fee" is on you in Canada, not the sender in USA.
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Regarding "Brokerage Fees" ...... If you happen to live near a Canada Customs office, you can "self broker" I have done this myself. All you need is the paperwork from the transporting company (in my case it was UPS). Go to Customs office, pay the (duty / tax) and take the receipt back to the carrier. It works well and saves money if the carrier and the Customs are reasonably close together like in Winnipeg. Just a drive down the street.
 
Notso5 said:
Thanks everyone for clarifying this. The laws sound a bit severe considering that the stock is no more than a piece of carved wood no more than a souvenir from a Yellowstone Park gift shop!
Are there retailers in Canada that sell the stocks and in the colour that I want?
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this is a really really stupid comment

not sure if you have passed your pal course or if you have the capabilities to own a firearm

go to Yellowstone and ask them if you can make the carving into a stock to use to,shoot animals and targets?

give your head a shake, and violently to get the marbles to re-align properly

just a cry baby response for sure

grow up and deal with the laws properly

I would pay money to see you in front of customs and BATF and be discussing the Yellowstone gift shop defence

my my my as kenda would say
 
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Notso5 said:
Thanks everyone for clarifying this.
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Don't believe the hype. If you want it, order it. I don't know what others here are trying to do by posting silly stories, but I've had no problems at all over the years order direct from Boyds. The last one I ordered was in 2019. The only thing you might want to consider is the exchange rate, but that goes for everything. And specify USPS for shipping unless you want to overpay for brokerage.
 
Ordered a butt stock for my Rossi Ranch hand out of Texas, no problems. Ordered a FS for my CZ Ultra from CZ USA, had it shipped to Utah where I was visiting, brought it home, wondering all the way if a stock for a .22 rimfire was on the Homeland Security no go list. Never had to find out. Hardly a military security item, but it's their rules. Also agree on the USPS instead of UPS.
 
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