putting a muzzle brake on my 308

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Hi guys, just a quick question I have a chance to get my (Weatherby vanguard sub MOA varmint in .308 that has a short 22" bull barrel) threaded to accept a muzzle brake, my question is will it affect the rifles accuracy and will the $100 dollars spent on getting it treaded and the actual muzzle brake be worth it, I mean will it actually help with the muzzle lift when fired? thanks in advance.
 
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It will significantly reduce felt recoil and muzzle jump albeit at the expense of very obnoxious noise. If it's properly threaded and the break is made properly shouldn't be any adverse effects to accuracy. Personally I wouldn't on a hunting rifle as the noise can permanently damage you're hearing and I don't care for the increase in barrel length but there are definitely merits on a target or varmint gun where one is firing from a stationary position and set up before hand. Ultimately you will have to way the pros and cons to determine if it's worth it for your application.

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You are about to catch an earfull... CGN has a hate on for muzzlebrakes..

The truth is that your gun should have very manageable recoil... and probably will not need a brake. But the brake will help with perceived recoil and muzzle flip... it will NOT make the gun louder... but will redirect gases and sound so that the shooter and those lateral to the shooter will hear more of the sound... if you shoot alone, and always wear hearing protection this is a non-issue... if you shoot often at a busy club or with friends at adjacent benches, this might be obnoxious...
 
I got a brake for my 10TR so I could spot my own splashes. I went shooting with a pal of mine last weekend and he had the same rifle, but no brake and when I took a shot through his, the sight picture completely disappeared. We had to resort to a spotter on another rifle or through someone watching through the spotting scope. On my rifle, I let off a round, and I can literally watch the vapour trail and clearly see the round hitting the gong at 625m. If this feature is not useful to you, then don’t bother.
 
For example, a muzzle brake on a .223 vs without a muzzle brake and only a thread protector is about 2" POI difference at 300 meters on my FCPK.

I suspect it's strictly weight/harmonics related.

I removed mine to hunt with(I hunt alone), as it's loud and blasts dirt/snow/etc everywhere, unless you shoot over a mat.
 
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You are about to catch an earfull... CGN has a hate on for muzzlebrakes..

The truth is that your gun should have very manageable recoil... and probably will not need a brake. But the brake will help with perceived recoil and muzzle flip... it will NOT make the gun louder... but will redirect gases and sound so that the shooter and those lateral to the shooter will hear more of the sound... if you shoot alone, and always wear hearing protection this is a non-issue... if you shoot often at a busy club or with friends at adjacent benches, this might be obnoxious...
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^^^This^^^ I have one on my .308, but it's strictly a target rifle. Being a semi, it's a no brained with regards to sight picture and follow up shots. I prefer it, but again it's not a 'hunter' that I would want to trapes around in the woods with for too long.
 
I just looked at the Weatherby web site and the butt of the stock looks low. The barrel is probably rising because your shoulder is below the bore and the gun is trying to rotate over your shoulder. Buy a stock with a butt that places your shoulder at or above the bore and the jumping will stop. I did this on a Mosin Nagant that I am fiddling with and the jumping stopped completely....as in 100% gone and I am pretty sure that my Mosin jumped a heck of a lot more than your Weatherby does (at least it used to).
 
Cteve said:
Hi guys, just a quick question I have a chance to get my (Weatherby vanguard sub MOA varmint in .308 that has a short 22" bull barrel) threaded to accept a muzzle break, my question is will it affect the rifles accuracy and will the $100 dollars spent on getting it treaded and the actual muzzle break be worth it, I mean will it actually help with the muzzle raising when fired? thanks in advance.
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You don't want a muzzle break. You may want a muzzle brake though.

If the threading is done accurately (concentric to the bore) and the brake is fitted carefully and bored for bullet clearance while on the barrel and all is concentric, it will shoot no worse for accuracy, possibly you may shoot it more accurately. It won't help with the muzzle rising, it will reduce it greatly.
 
Thought I may chime in here...

Speaking of muzzle brakes, I noticed a few that I have looked at have a disclaimer of getting a gunsmith to install it. Is this a legal safety or is this common practise? I have a proper muzzle brake for my 10TR that I havent installed yet. After reading this thread, im still on the fence...

Do you guys install your own muzzle brakes?
 
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You don't want a muzzle break. You may want a muzzle brake though.

If the threading is done accurately (concentric to the bore) and the brake is fitted carefully and bored for bullet clearance while on the barrel and all is concentric, it will shoot no worse for accuracy, possibly you may shoot it more accurately. It won't help with the muzzle rising, it will reduce it greatly.
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Thanks for the correction, also thanks for the replies I am still a bit on the fence but leaning towards getting it done. If it helps get that possible second shot or ....at least lets me keep an eye on my distant target and the worst side effect is noise, I think I can cope. Thanks fellas.
 
If we were to follow Workers Compensation rules, our guns would be fitted with moderators (silencers/sound dampeners) to save our hearing and not cause distress to folks nearby. This is an issue that must be put forth at the top of the agenda in all firearms & hunting related groups as a matter of personal hearing protection and good neighbor relations with others.

The stigma that a suppressed firearm is somehow a bad thing is directly related to movies & media turds, along with police agencies that are mandated by their masters.

Many European countries have no big deal with suppressed weapons, and in fact suppressors are more or less mandatory in many places overseas. IE: UK

A properly suppressed firearm is no less accurate than a non-suppressed one, and I for one would be happy to hunt or plink with one any day of the week compared to un-moderated ones.

OK Safety Folks, it time to push this ahead.:)
 
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If we were to follow Workers Compensation rules, our guns would be fitted with moderators (silencers/sound dampeners) to save our hearing and not cause distress to folks nearby. This is an issue that must be put forth at the top of the agenda in all firearms & hunting related groups as a matter of personal hearing protection and good neighbor relations with others.

The stigma that a suppressed firearm is somehow a bad thing is directly related to movies & media turds, along with police agencies that are mandated by their masters.

Many European countries have no big deal with suppressed weapons, and in fact suppressors are more or less mandatory in many places overseas. IE: UK

A properly suppressed firearm is no less accurate than a non-suppressed one, and I for one would be happy to hunt or plink with one any day of the week compared to un-moderated ones.

OK Safety Folks, it time to push this ahead.:)
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Agreed. This should be on the agenda of the CSSA and NFA. My hunting buddy is from the UK and his rifles are all suppressed back home. He thinks were daft here in Canada.

And he's not a run of the mill gunnut. He has a PHd in Health Studies and Medicine.
 
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The truth is that your gun should have very manageable recoil... and probably will not need a brake. But the brake will help with perceived recoil and muzzle flip... it will NOT make the gun louder... but will redirect gases and sound so that the shooter and those lateral to the shooter will hear more of the sound... if you shoot alone, and always wear hearing protection this is a non-issue... if you shoot often at a busy club or with friends at adjacent benches, this might be obnoxious...[/QUOTE]

This is the answer
 
I was at Gun Club and a guy there was shooting a 375 h&h ...his buddy had a 340 WBY both guns had brakes and it was the loudest most obnoxious thing I have ever heard and frankly I thought it a bit discourteous. Both guys were still scared of their guns and their targets proved it...
 
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While it depends on how you intend to use your rifle, if you shoot a breaked rifle without the use of hearing protection, the sensation will be much worse than the effect of recoil from a moderate cartridge. Having said that, there is an argument to be made that no shooting should be conducted without the use of hearing protection. My rifles won't wear brakes, but if you have your's installed correctly, it might benefit your marksmanship if you don't enjoy the bump on the shoulder.
 
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