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Questions about the CZ 75 SP01 Shadow, I have held a CZ 75b in my hand & had an issue with the trigger being to far away to were I couldn't control the gun trigger pull properly,
I'm interested in getting one in the future if I can address these issues.

I posted this question below in someone elses post but didn't want to hijack it So I moved it here.

I like the look of the CZ shadow & how it feels on in the hand, my problem is the trigger is to far away. I have short fat fingers & I have a hard time reaching the trigger.
Does CZ make a trigger with a shorter stroke / pull trigger? this is what a few members replied.

tobin said:
Try one with the thin aluminum grips. Makes a world of difference.
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maurice said:
the stock/stock 2/ stock3 with aluminum grips is a short reach to trigger in DA.
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Now my other question on this is that I found a trigger on CZ custom web site that is a flat 1911 style trigger. would this change be allowed in IPSC or IPDA?
With the thin aluminum grip changes & the trigger I might be able to make this gun fit in my hand better. also has anyone used this flat style trigger & what are your thoughts?

ht tp://czcustom.com/testproduct-132.aspx
 
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What you have found is a Single Action Only trigger. If you put this on your CZ, you could not use it in IDPA Stock Service Pistol or IPSC Production as it would render the gun single action only. You could use the gun this way in IDPA Enhanced Service pistol or IPSC Standard but that is not a great idea as you would be competing against major power factor guns with a minor power factor gun.
 
tobin said:
What you have found is a Single Action Only trigger. If you put this on your CZ, you could not use it in IDPA Stock Service Pistol or IPSC Production as it would render the gun single action only. You could use the gun this way in IDPA Enhanced Service pistol or IPSC Standard but that is not a great idea as you would be competing against major power factor guns with a minor power factor gun.
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Ok I understand, So at this point I still would have the problem with the trigger being to long a pull, if there was a shorter DA trigger out there could this be done? and where would a guy find one?
 
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Some of the CZ triggers are longer but if you go with the thin grips, it will put more of your finger on the trigger.

I think the trigger on the CZ 85 Combat is a little closer to the frame than the one on the Shadow also.

Check out:

http://czcustom.com/CZ85Combattrigger.aspx

Then there is this one but I have never seen one on a gun:

http://czcustom.com/CZ75RecurveTrigger05A.aspx


You might send CeeZeer a PM, as he is quite knowledgeable about all things CZ.
 
There's nothing you can do to make the DA trigger travel shorter. On the stock DA trigger it uses the whole travel from beginning to end to move the bow and internal foot that cocks and releases the hammer. By the time it releases the hammer it's within a degree or two of contacting the rear travel limit. If there was such a shorter travel and reach trigger option available it would actually increase the amount of pressure needed on the trigger due to the simple leverage issues.

How effective the flatter grips would be depends on how close you are to being comfortable with it. If you're on the edge and are able to pull the trigger but it's just not sitting where you need it to on your finger then the slight extra reach you gain by using the flat aluminium grips would likely do the trick. If it's a "there's just no way" sort of deal with the fat stock grips then the flat aluminium ones will only gain you enough that you'll be "just about".

What other handguns have you shot that worked or just about worked for you?
 
most guns work fine, I love the feel of a 1911 with a flat main spring housing trigger reach is perfect, but that would be a single stack framed model.

with the CZ 75B I found the tip of my finger just reaching the trigger but not in a comfortable position, I would have to change my natural grip hold of the gun for the first shot then be fine for SA. Now the aluminum flat grips might be enough to fix that problem. But I don't know as I haven't held one with flat slim grips yet.
 
If you have access to a buddy's CZ try taking the grips right off and shoot it gripless. If it works for you then the slim aluminiums will do the trick. If it doesn't then there's just no hope I'm afraid.

If that's the case I can't think of any other DA/SA guns which would be better. Or many striker guns either. Unless.... maybe a Ruger SR9? Of all the semi autos other than a 1911 the SR9 has one of the slimest grips I've found. If the trigger travel isn't too long and put the trigger out of reach again this may give you what you're after.

Otherwise I think you'll be stuck with SA only classes. The good news though is that you can trim the guns out nicely and really make it fit you. There's trigger shoe/bow assemblies where the shoe is very narrow front to back and some inbetween stock and super narrow so you can tailor the fit to yourself. So all in all it may not be the end of the world... :D

Best of luck with the search for the ideal gun for you.
 
good idea on removing the fat grips to test it out. Thanks

Taurus, Beretta, Glock, Springfield XD & M&P I have no problem reaching, it's just the CZ & desert eagle guns. as for Ruger SR9 I wouldn't touch that #### yuck!

I do like the look of a CZ SA only tiggers looks different in a good way.

thanks for the input guys.
 
Never mind the looks. The member CeeZer mentioned earlier has a 75SA that he let me try. The trigger feels like one of the nicer 1911's I've gotten to shoot. An amazing gun.

If you find that you just can't seem to come to terms with the long DA pull of any DA/SA gun and have to go SA only then for IPDA a 75SA is the way to go. If you are into IPSC then if you can get one the CZ Tactical Sport in .40S&W would be a superb alternative to the usual 1911. I've shot one at the local rental range. Originally it was one of the employee's Standard class match gun. He'd had the trigger tuned a little. It's as nice as the nicest ever 1911 I've tried.

Or if you can't get one, they are rare, then I suppose a tuned up 1911 with a mag well and some trigger tuning in .40S&W would not be a bad way to go.... :D
 
I could not reach the trigger in DA comfortably. Got the thin blue grips and it really helped but now that I am used to the stock grips my Blue thin grips are for sale. :D

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Well I got my CZ Sp-01 Shadow and took off the grips to see if this would make a difference, it did make a bit of difference but not enough. I still find the gun trigger to be to far forward for my liking.

Single action is fine but from double to single the pull just doesn't work well for me, it feels like I have to stretch my finger to pull the trigger which also ends up with me changing the grip hold just a little bit.

This I think would be a problem if I wanted to shoot a match. I had no problems when I owned a double/single action Taurus PT99AFD or PT92AF but that was a Beretta copy.

I'm very disappointed as I had to buy the gun to find this out. love the look & feel of the Shadow other then the trigger issue. My second choice to the Shadow was going to be a Glock,
I have a few 1911 guns love the feel & operation of the 1911 was hopping to find a double stack magazine gun for shooting IPDA or IPSC production class.

I could put a single action trigger in the Shadow but then I can't use it for production class, dropping over $800 bucks to find this out does upset me a bit.
 
Brocolt said:
Well I got my CZ Sp-01 Shadow and took off the grips to see if this would make a difference, it did make a bit of difference but not enough. I still find the gun trigger to be to far forward for my liking.

Single action is fine but from double to single the pull just doesn't work well for me, it feels like I have to stretch my finger to pull the trigger which also ends up with me changing the grip hold just a little bit.

This I think would be a problem if I wanted to shoot a match. I had no problems when I owned a double/single action Taurus PT99AFD or PT92AF but that was a Beretta copy.

I'm very disappointed as I had to buy the gun to find this out. love the look & feel of the Shadow other then the trigger issue. My second choice to the Shadow was going to be a Glock,
I have a few 1911 guns love the feel & operation of the 1911 was hopping to find a double stack magazine gun for shooting IPDA or IPSC production class.

I could put a single action trigger in the Shadow but then I can't use it for production class, dropping over $800 bucks to find this out does upset me a bit.
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Lesson learned, buy locally so you can try it out. No ones fault but yours to buy pistols with out ever trying one out, knowing your hand might be smaller then standard. Cz75 has great grip for standard hands. Glock, you have to have huge hands.... 1911 dont know.

TRY LOCALLY, BUY LOCALLY, if you have any grip issues! and $800 is a steal, i paid for mine after taxes $950

If you have issues with with grips, try M&P 9 MM with small grips.
 
For our large city we only have 2 gun stores, 1 has a ok selection of hand guns the other should but doesn't. There is also 2 private dealers who I talked to none of them had a SP01 in stock.
So my options were pass on the Shadow or take a shot hoping it would fit. I had no choice but to order it from outside the city, as for the Glock it has a short trigger and the fit has been comfirmed so the fit is there.

Cost was was just around $850 with taxes & shipping so I did do ok on price. I will look into CZ single action trigger first. before this goes on the selling or trading block.
but I think this would put me into the IPSC's standard class which I didn't want to be in. depends on the rules for stanard class.
 
photos of your grip and finger on the trigger will help us with a diagnoses of your issues.
 
I'll see what I can do about pics Slav,

I wear meduim sized 5.11 or mechanex gloves at work and find it not to tight of a glove unless I wash them. a couple of fingers are a tiny bit long but not all of them.

The best way to say it is the gun fits fine in single action mode but the double pull isn't & I'm having to change my grip just a little bit for the first shot,
this makes it uncomfortable and would slow my time down a bit aswell as screw with my focus on the target.
 
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