Question for current m&p owners

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Thinking about getting my first Tupperware pistol (in 9mm) and after months of agonizing back and forth struggles I have decided to go m&p over glock. It's had issues in the past but now with newer models apparently these issues have been resolved... Or have they, please share your horror stories/successes with the newest m&ps.

My next question is, is the new m&p pro c.o.r.e worth getting, is it better out of the box than a standard mp9 with trigger job and apex parts?
 
For the price you can pickup a range kit for, it's a no brainer. Gun has been ultra reliable and accurate. I think the standard model is perfect as is. Unless you are doing some sort of competition shooting I don't think you need to modify the trigger. And even then I think you could do just fine with the stock setup.
 
But if I am looking at getting that extra "edge" and hot rodding it (cause I'm never one to leave things how they come), apex kit and trigger job is the way to go Over the pro? Only thing is that I couldn't compete In production class ipsc correct? I'm just looking for a do it all gun that I could go any way with, be it drills, plinking or competition. And not limit my options in any way.
 
ive got the whole M&P family and i recommend the 9mm range kit to everyone i meet as a first in gun.
if you are already into shooting and have a 9mm id go with the 40 cal range kit.
you just cant go wrong with them.
mags, holsters and gun with a uplulu to boot.
happy happy happy!

i recently added a 9mm pro core to my collection but havnt added a optic to it yet. (damn money)
but i will say i do like the higher sites on the pro core, and the new grip pads are fantastic!!!

but ya cant go wrong with the original range deal in 9mm.
i know 10 guys personally that have gotten one after i did and not one of them regret it and they all still have them and shoot them.
 
DONT JUDGE ME!

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(from the bottom right going counter clockwise thats the 22, 9mm, 40cal, 45 then the 9mm pro core on the bottom left - you can tell by the more aggressive backstrap)
 
I have the range kit in a 9mm. I bought it in april and have shot around the 2500rds. I did a defense course that is offered here + black badge and a IPSC shoot. I had no problem. When the mags are fully loaded you need to really tap on the mag to make sure it sits well. I was shooting 115g American Eagle. I have recently change to 124g once loaded ammo to save a bit of money. It seem to not like the ammo. I have feeding problem when I have about 5 rds left in the mag. Over all. I love it. No regrets and would buy a other one in a heart beat.

Hope it helps.
 
Great gun - mine is an old one produced with all of the 'problems' and it's gone 40,000 rounds without a non-ammunition related failure - and it's had less than a dozen of those. Mine has the Apex sear, but I'd already polished the striker block, so that's the factory original. I've run the gun pretty hard, and I've dropped mags in the mud and I used it for very extended shooting sessions (1,000 rounds in one day) and it just keeps going.
 
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I tried a few Glocks and liked the M&P better so I bought a couple, funny how Glock is copying S&W now with their Modular Back Strap in the Gen4, I guess their "perfection" really wasn't.
 
If I were to buy an older model, can I swap it out with any of the newer parts without problems? Or is it just worth it getting a newer one cause of cost of parts seperately? The mag issue bothers me, having 5 rounds left and getting feed issues? That's something I would need to fix cause it would drive me bonkers.
 
I have one I purchased recently from Frontier 9mm range kit. I haven't used the holster yet but the third mag is nice to have. I've only got about 600 or so through mine. I'm still a newbie shooter but I find it decently accurate (reads gun is better then the shooter shooting it). Felt good in my hand and so far every time has gone bang. I do find it a little slippery sometimes. My biggest grief with it was the gritty trigger but its not what I thought it was but the firing pin block causing the grittiness. The part that lifts it up before the striker is let loose I polished with 2000 grit sand paper and it made a huge difference in feeling in the uptake before the trigger breaks.
 
I bought the M&P 9 C.O.R.E. just over two months ago. I replaced the trigger with the Apex FSS kit, and it's a very nice trigger. That kit includes their new striker block, so the "grittiness" of the stock trigger goes away. Didn't shoot it much with the stock trigger, but I definitely like it better with this Apex one. You are right, though, about it taking you out of Production division in IPSC - you'll be stuck in Standard.

The Apex DCAEK (Duty/Carry Action Enhancement Kit, I think?) is supposed to make for a nice trigger too, though not quite as good as the FSS, but keeps it "legal" for Production (is my understanding anyway - correct me if I'm wrong, IPSC rule-gurus).

I don't have an optic on it (yet - who knows when or if I'll get around to that) but I see four reasons why one might want a C.O.R.E. over the regular M&P:

- ability to add an optic easily at a later time, if so desired
- nice aggressively textured backstrap inserts, so you don't have to have someone "Stipple" your grips for you at extra cost, to keep the thing from sliding out of your hands in the wet (Ended up doing my Black Badge course in the rain!) These new backstraps are reportedly not available on any other models, nor are they available separately from S&W at this time.
- Supposedly better overall trigger out of the box, if you believe S&W's promotional material. Probably not a selling point if you're just going to upgrade with Apex trigger parts, though
- This point is more subjective: I think it's possibly easier to install the Apex striker block upgrade (which comes with many of their kits, or available standalone) - in the regular M&P's, you must remove the rear sight to install this. In the C.O.R.E. series, the sight is further back, and you don't have to touch it. Instead, you remove a little plate that sits under where the red-dot optic would go. You do need a small hex wrench to do this (a 0.05" one, which is not exactly common, but not so rare as to be unobtainable) but you don't fiddle with, and then have to readjust, your rear sights. I realize that for some people, removing and re-zeroing rear sights may be easier than fiddling with small hex screws, but I prefer to leave the sights untouched, as they were pretty well zeroed from the factory

As to the reliability issue, I have well over 1000 rounds through it now, (all 124gr, mix of Sellier&Bellot and the Wolf brand commercially reloaded ammo) without one failure of any kind.

The only minor issue I've had so far is the same one that others have complained about elsewhere on the 'net - the magazines can be "tight" when fitting in that 10th round. In fact, some cynics call them 9.5 round magazines. With a Maglula loader, I never had any issues loading 10 rounds in them - just push real hard for that last one. And, as mentioned earlier in this thread, inserting a fully loaded (10 rounds in) magazine on a closed slide takes a little extra "oomph" to get it to seat properly. I've had a few instances of "pull trigger... click" after a reload, when I haven't really jammed the mag home. Solved with a "Tap, rack, bang" but annoying enough that when I did my first IPSC match with the gun, I planned my strategy carefully, and where it worked out, I'd run a stage with only 9 rounds in the mags, to ensure I didn't get caught short by a weakly-inserted mag in the heat of the moment. This whole mag thing can be easily fixed, apparently, with some careful dremel work on the follower to shorten it up a bit, but so far this hasn't been annoying enough for me to bother with trying to fix.

In the end, I am quite happy with the gun, and a friend of mine has just ordered one (also the C.O.R.E) after having tried mine.

One note: When I bought mine, they were going for $800-ish. I've now seen two places selling them for $690 or thereabouts.... So if you want the C.O.R.E., shop around a bit, you may get a deal.
Personally, I think if you can get it for under $700, it may be worth getting the C.O.R.E. S&W lists their "suggested" price as $729 (US dollars).

Anyway, that's just my $0.02 worth.. I do not in any way purport to be an expert in these matters, I just know that I like mine.


Trav
 
If I were to buy an older model, can I swap it out with any of the newer parts without problems? Or is it just worth it getting a newer one cause of cost of parts seperately? The mag issue bothers me, having 5 rounds left and getting feed issues? That's something I would need to fix cause it would drive me bonkers.

Yes, it's one of the true beauties of the M&P's construction - they are completely rebuildable, as an added bonus, when you replace the locking block and the sear block, you're also replacing the frame rails - to my knowledge the only pistol made with replaceable frame rails. The parts cost on a rebuild (less barrel) would be about $150 plus shipping. I'm actually thinking of giving mine a full rebuild, maybe I'll do a full post on rebuilding one.
 
Good to know it can be rebuilt easily. Have there been any problems with slide rust on the cores? It looks like they have a different finish than the older m&ps. Is it much more advantageous to go with the 5" barrel over the standard 4.25 or so other than sight radius?
 
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