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I'm aware many anti-firearm groups frequent this forum, so I have questions.

What is their problem with firearm competition such as 3gun and service rifle?

C-21 targets specifically and only those firearms used for those competitions (and now hunters) held by PAL holders and no one else. I never got an answer, and I've noticed the c-21 ram through is completely devoid speaking of competition sports such as 3gun, service rifle and the such. It's pretty clear the target of the c-21 turned from pistols to competition and sporting firearms and now hunting firearms.

Now that the hunting prohibitions have gotten a significant pushback, would it not be more appropriate to offer legislation to move these firearms into restricted categories not prohibited and provide grandfathering for those current ones instead of blanket prohibitions? It's pretty clear to even the most anti-gun person that extending an olive branch is a better course of action as opposed to punitive measures.

I'm curious about the rationale or lack thereof.
 
During the C21 hearings back when it was still mostly about handguns, Poly & CGC testified that IPSC and IDPA are training civilians for “combat” essentially…So you know they will obviously have the same outlook towards 3 Gun and Service Rifle.

It is clear, in the mind of the anti, any type of training or competition is just making you a more efficient killer…
 
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Innavedaw said:
During the C21 hearings back when it was still mostly about handguns, Poly & CGC testified that IPSC and IDPA are training civilians for “combat” essentially…So you know they will obviously have the same outlook towards 3 Gun and Service Rifle.

It is clear, in the mind of the anti, any type of training or competition is just making you a more efficient killer…
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Got any vids or transcripts? How does is make "you a more efficient killer"? Being a "killer" is not following the law or the rules. Competition is specifically about following the rules.

That's just not reasonable line thinking. Doesn't pass the sniff test. Archery was specifically developed to kill yet archery is acceptable. Darts were invented to hit the slits of the helmets of armored knights to blind them in combat. Hunting specifically kills animals yet is necessary and important. Shooting competitions specifically do not kill. It's all about mental management while following the rules.

Someone will need to connect the dots for me here because I've done too much competition to be easily convinced of something that doesn't appear to be true.
 
In the past Poly has pulled 3-Gun videos posted to social media and used them as propaganda calling the sort “active shooter training”. Sport to us is a dangerous perversion to them and there’s no changing their mindset.
 
fridge450 said:
In the past Poly has pulled 3-Gun videos posted to social media and used them as propaganda calling the sort “active shooter training”. Sport to us is a dangerous perversion to them and there’s no changing their mindset.
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So, competition, where you are required to follow the rules (and laws), very strict and specific and safe rules, is seen by them as training for illegal activity?

Is that what I'm pulling from this?
 
Bile said:
So, competition, where you are required to follow the rules (and laws), very strict and specific and safe rules, is seen by them as training for illegal activity?

Is that what I'm pulling from this?
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Yes sadly it seems in their minds this is true. Or perhaps just their way of attempting to convince as many people as they can to side with them. If it's what they truly believe it's sad. If they are using it to manipulate and convince it's disgusting
 
Well we could recruit the Anti's and send them to Foreign Nations instead of wasting time and money using our brave young men and women to patrol their disputes. they would fit right in with no firearms to use in case of a firefight.
 
S-357 said:
Yes sadly it seems in their minds this is true. Or perhaps just their way of attempting to convince as many people as they can to side with them. If it's what they truly believe it's sad. If they are using it to manipulate and convince it's disgusting
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If this active shooter argument was the case, there must be strong and compelling evidence to support that argument.

So far I haven't seen any. Like absolutely no evidence what so ever.
 
The anti's are not aware of 3gun/Service Rifle/IPSC/etc, and really don't care about them if they are aware. Nobody needs............
 
Juster said:
They want to disarm the population.
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Yep, they want to ban all guns.

Common theme: only police and military should have guns

I think they are very much like militant vegans and environmentalists - There is no respect, no rational discord and no middle or common ground with them.
 
As much as I know there are many males that are anti let's not ignore misandry. I grit my teeth whenever I hear the term misogyny yet nobody ever mentions the flipside. Many, if not the majority, of the diehard anti-gun lobby in this country are absolute misandrists. Wendy and Heidi (the professional victim) certainly hate men. The fact that men appreciate and are drawn to firearms perhaps on a greater scale than women, is point positive to justify their warped crusade. Don't kid yourself. These self anointed crusaders who are seeking to destroy our property and enjoyment of such are not only doing it for the huge payout from the government and focus groups.....they enjoy the suffering they inflict on us. These are some sadistic individuals masquerading as social justice warriors. Look back through history at all the twisted despots and would-be world rulers. Every single one of them thought their vision of what was right was the ONLY view. Hopefully somebody in a real position of power can see these whackos for what they really are. Unfortunately the Nutless Wonder who's in office at the moment is too stupid to string together an intelligent thought. Um....er.....uh...
 
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As much as I know there are many males that are anti let's not ignore misandry. I grit my teeth whenever I hear the term misogyny yet nobody ever mentions the flipside. Many, if not the majority, of the diehard anti-gun lobby in this country are absolute misandrists. Wendy and Heidi (the professional victim) certainly hate men. The fact that men appreciate and are drawn to firearms perhaps on a greater scale than women, is point positive to justify their warped crusade. Don't kid yourself. These self anointed crusaders who are seeking to destroy our property and enjoyment of such are not only doing it for the huge payout from the government and focus groups.....they enjoy the suffering they inflict on us. These are some sadistic individuals masquerading as social justice warriors. Look back through history at all the twisted despots and would-be world rulers. Every single one of them thought their vision of what was right was the ONLY view. Hopefully somebody in a real position of power can see these whackos for what they really are. Unfortunately the Nutless Wonder who's in office at the moment is too stupid to string together an intelligent thought. Um....er.....uh...
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:agree: You lay out many of my thoughts quite nicely.
 
Bile said:
I'm aware many anti-firearm groups frequent this forum, so I have questions.

What is their problem with firearm competition such as 3gun and service rifle?

C-21 targets specifically and only those firearms used for those competitions (and now hunters) held by PAL holders and no one else. I never got an answer, and I've noticed the c-21 ram through is completely devoid speaking of competition sports such as 3gun, service rifle and the such. It's pretty clear the target of the c-21 turned from pistols to competition and sporting firearms and now hunting firearms.

Now that the hunting prohibitions have gotten a significant pushback, would it not be more appropriate to offer legislation to move these firearms into restricted categories not prohibited and provide grandfathering for those current ones instead of blanket prohibitions? It's pretty clear to even the most anti-gun person that extending an olive branch is a better course of action as opposed to punitive measures.

I'm curious about the rationale or lack thereof.
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pmt said:
The anti's are not aware of 3gun/Service Rifle/IPSC/etc, and really don't care about them if they are aware. Nobody needs............
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I feel this is the bottom line. It is a slippery slope in their policy if they start recognizing specific, sporting use of any of the guns they want to ban.

I suspect the exemption for elite shooters is simply to avoid push back from the international community when Canadians at the top of the field could no longer participate with up to date firearms. Seeing as young people can no longer buy the tools to train to become an elite Canadian sports shooter, they are essentially eliminating all handgun sports shooting in a couple generations along with handguns.

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Bile said:
I'm aware many anti-firearm groups frequent this forum, so I have questions.

What is their problem with firearm competition such as 3gun and service rifle?

C-21 targets specifically and only those firearms used for those competitions (and now hunters) held by PAL holders and no one else. I never got an answer, and I've noticed the c-21 ram through is completely devoid speaking of competition sports such as 3gun, service rifle and the such. It's pretty clear the target of the c-21 turned from pistols to competition and sporting firearms and now hunting firearms.

Now that the hunting prohibitions have gotten a significant pushback, would it not be more appropriate to offer legislation to move these firearms into restricted categories not prohibited and provide grandfathering for those current ones instead of blanket prohibitions? It's pretty clear to even the most anti-gun person that extending an olive branch is a better course of action as opposed to punitive measures.

I'm curious about the rationale or lack thereof.
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Because they involve firearms. Stalin/Mao/Hitler type governments can’t function if a population is armed…
 
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