Pardon my ignorance, but I wondered if the common term ".44 magnum" refers to the .44 Remington Magnum or if it's another cartridge. My reloading book only shows loading for the .44 Remington Magnum, so I assume that's the only standard cartridge out there. I'm not a pistol guy anymore, so I was just curious. Kind of like when people say "45 long Colt". I'm told it's a misnomer, since the two Colt cartridges were .45 ACP and .45 Colt. So, if one of you kind folks would take a sec and clarify that, I'd appreciate it.
Question! Is .44 Magnum and .44 Remington Magnum the same cartridge?
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I know about the odd shorter .45 Colt cartridges that have come up here and there. But with no official factory reference, no published info on it, and no confirmation anywhere that it existed intentionally, can we say it was an official cartridge?
The ".45 Shot Colt" ammo that comes up now and then has a .45 Colt rim which is smaller than the .45 Schofield but is a .45 Schofield length (as far as I've seen record of). So was it a real cartridge intentionally manufactured as a "Short Colt"? Or was it a cheaper way to produce .45 Schofield compatible ammo using the dies and presses they already had setup for .45 Colt?
In a similar situation but more recent, is US made 6.5x55mm Swedish a different cartridge than European 6.5x55mm Swedish because it uses a different case head diameter? US manufacturers just use a .308/.30-06/etc. case head because it's very close (a tad smaller) and they have mountains of tooling to manufacture cases with that head size but still works in 6.5x55mm chambered rifles. European manufacturers use the proper 6.5x55mm case head size which is a little bigger. They're technically different so are they different cartridges?
I haven't seen every reference picture available but I've never seen or heard of brass cases or boxes marked ".45 Short Colt"; only that some oddly sized brass exists (Schofield length, Colt rim). That to me isn't proof that the cartridge definitely existed and was manufactured intended as a "Short Colt".
The ".45 Shot Colt" ammo that comes up now and then has a .45 Colt rim which is smaller than the .45 Schofield but is a .45 Schofield length (as far as I've seen record of). So was it a real cartridge intentionally manufactured as a "Short Colt"? Or was it a cheaper way to produce .45 Schofield compatible ammo using the dies and presses they already had setup for .45 Colt?
In a similar situation but more recent, is US made 6.5x55mm Swedish a different cartridge than European 6.5x55mm Swedish because it uses a different case head diameter? US manufacturers just use a .308/.30-06/etc. case head because it's very close (a tad smaller) and they have mountains of tooling to manufacture cases with that head size but still works in 6.5x55mm chambered rifles. European manufacturers use the proper 6.5x55mm case head size which is a little bigger. They're technically different so are they different cartridges?
I haven't seen every reference picture available but I've never seen or heard of brass cases or boxes marked ".45 Short Colt"; only that some oddly sized brass exists (Schofield length, Colt rim). That to me isn't proof that the cartridge definitely existed and was manufactured intended as a "Short Colt".
It isn't required to be officially recognized. Many names we give things have little to do with factory titles but have grown to be accepted normals.
The word "pistol" for example existed long before a semi auto hand gun was introduced however now we commonly use 5he word to distinguish between a revolver.
In my opinion all that matters is at one time someone, be it the US military or otherwise, introduced a shorter .45 revolver cartridge that had a very short existence.
People of the time needed to distinguish between the two rounds
And really debating this kind of stuff is way more worth while than another bear defense thread.
The word "pistol" for example existed long before a semi auto hand gun was introduced however now we commonly use 5he word to distinguish between a revolver.
In my opinion all that matters is at one time someone, be it the US military or otherwise, introduced a shorter .45 revolver cartridge that had a very short existence.
People of the time needed to distinguish between the two rounds
And really debating this kind of stuff is way more worth while than another bear defense thread.
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44 Russian ,44SW ,will chamber and fire in a 44 mag. The 44 mag having the longest chamber length. You will have a little free bore before the shorter bullets engage the rifling, weather this will have any effect on accuracy ,well you will have to find out for your self. Also the 44 mag is the hottest / highest pressure of these factory loads. It is cheaper to shoot 44 mags out of a 44 mag firearm( factory stuff) any way! I would not try 44 mags in any firearms that are not specifically MARKED !! For 44 mag ... A two dollar round isn't worth the possible risk .. If you are unshure of the calibre, have it chchecked out ( measured).
.44 Mag is the same cartridge/ identical "thing" as the .44 Rem Mag.
Is the .44 wcf the same as the .44 smith and wesson special?
Is the .44 wcf the same as the .44 smith and wesson special?
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