Question on 45-70 reload

You betcha!! Hang on though as it kills on one end and wounds on the other! Just kidding. There is much reloading info if you google for that load. I have tried it in the past and it shot well on paper, but never had a chance to poke a hole in a moose with it. Can't remember the exact load, but it was either H322 or 3031.
 
Not sure if the crimp groove(cannelure) is usable due to length, functioning may require not using the crimping groove, this is not a "positive".
 
ben hunchak said:
Not sure if the crimp groove(cannelure) is usable due to length, functioning may require not using the crimping groove, this is not a "positive".
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I think you're right, as far as utilizing the cannelure to crimp in and in particular in say a Marlin lever gun, the C.O A L. will be too long to cycle it through the action. It's a different story in a single shot such as a Ruger #1. There I think you'd be good to go.
 
If you pick up a lee factory crimp die you'll be able to crimp that big hornady anywhere you want, crimp grove or not. You'll have to stay around 2.6max length. Or I'd suggest you just go with the various commercial heavy 500gr + bullets that have crimp groves that will cycle long bullets for the 1895 Marlin. 525gr beartooth, 550 Jae Bok Crater, Sharptail (member on this site) casts a good 560gr, Cast performance 460gr. And Ben there has some heavys aswell

Good luck

Cheers

Seabass
 
For the 45/70 I believe you would be better off using a bullet with a crimp groove in the proper place to allow proper functioning in leverguns.
 
ben hunchak said:
For the 45/70 I believe you would be better off using a bullet with a crimp groove in the proper place to allow proper functioning in leverguns.
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I agree
The lee factory crimp die does provide a usable crimp, but under pressure from heavy 45-70 loads, plus the mag tube spring. It may slide back into the case on you. It's something you will see on cartridges that have been cycled a few times through the action as well.
There are ways around this however.
One, is by using a load that fills the case, (Compressed load) or using fillers to accomplish that.
You may be able to accomplish that with R7, or with one of the new black powder replacement powders.
Depending of course on your need for punishment. :)
Be damned careful working up those loads, and if you use fillers, remember to add the filler weight to that of your bullet, and adjust the charge downward.
 
If your going to be using a 500gr Hornady bullet to load in a marlin to cycle 2.5 to 2.6 max COL then you'll most certainly have a compressed load, regardless of most powders. So it can be done.

But unless your attempting to load for elephant and need a 500gr solid I'd just go with a 400gr to 500gr bullet that already has a crimp grove. Or a heavy hardcast like I mentioned before. Easier right? There are tons of heavy bullets out there that will cycle just fine in the 1895 action.

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Bro...yId=7290&categoryString=652***19785***9016***

Cheers

Seabass
 
In my Marlin 1895GS, the two jacketed bullets of choice for me are either the 400gr Speer or the 405gr Remington, 'pushed' by either IMR 3031 or IMR 4198:D.

For the heavier loads using cast, there's a 420gr GC beauty I get from a local friend that works well with the same fore-mentioned powders. For a lighter cast load, there's a 405gr BB item I get from another local supplier that I've got good results with, using IMR 4227 and a filler. At the moment I'm in the process of possibly changing over to Trail Boss for these lighter loads. Some of the preliminary results look good:).

For me personally, I'll leave such examples as the 500gr jacketed and the 500gr & 535gr cast for the 458WM.
 
Seabass & John Y

As a note of interest, the local guy I get my cast bullets from has also supplied me with some 'modified' Speer 325gr HP bullets that are designed for the 50 AE. The modification I'm referring to is he has added a cannelure groove so I can crimp them when I use them in the 500 S&W. Kind of a neat little tool:cool: and would probably be the answer to doing the same for the Hornady 500gr slugs so they can be used in the lever action 45-70, if you have a real desire to do so:).
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Seabass & John Y

As a note of interest, the local guy I get my cast bullets from has also supplied me with some 'modified' Speer 325gr HP bullets that are designed for the 50 AE. The modification I'm referring to is he has added a cannelure groove so I can crimp them when I use them in the 500 S&W. Kind of a neat little tool:cool: and would probably be the answer to doing the same for the Hornady 500gr slugs so they can be used in the lever action 45-70, if you have a real desire to do so:).
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Cool, thanks for the info. For myself I already have 550gr and 560gr for heavy weights for shooting thru mountains and 5ft Firs if I get the itch to do so. Other than those mountain movers a 'premium' jacketed or Hard Cast bullet in the 400gr range will go thru most any animal here in NA.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
In my Marlin 1895GS, the two jacketed bullets of choice for me are either the 400gr Speer or the 405gr Remington, 'pushed' by either IMR 3031 or IMR 4198:D.

For the heavier loads using cast, there's a 420gr GC beauty I get from a local friend that works well with the same fore-mentioned powders. For a lighter cast load, there's a 405gr BB item I get from another local supplier that I've got good results with, using IMR 4227 and a filler. At the moment I'm in the process of possibly changing over to Trail Boss for these lighter loads. Some of the preliminary results look good:).

For me personally, I'll leave such examples as the 500gr jacketed and the 500gr & 535gr cast for the 458WM.
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Try 13 grains of TB under a 405 grain cast boolit. Works a treat with almost no recoil and the bulky TB nearly fills the case.
For gas checked cast boolits I like H322 best of all.
 
Edward Teach said:
Try 13 grains of TB under a 405 grain cast boolit. Works a treat with almost no recoil and the bulky TB nearly fills the case.
For gas checked cast boolits I like H322 best of all.
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Thanks for the info. I'll give that load a try when I return home. On a recent powder buy on another site I just picked up 4 lbs of TB so I have some light load work to do in a few calibers in addition to the 45-70.

A shooting buddy hs4570, that recently passed away, did an extensive amount of load research and his own load work up and testing for cailbers that TB load info wasn't available on. So far with what little of his theory I have applied in a couple of calibers, it seems to work out pretty good for those lighter loads.

Thanks again for the load info.:cheers:
 
Johnn Peterson said:
Seabass & John Y

As a note of interest, the local guy I get my cast bullets from has also supplied me with some 'modified' Speer 325gr HP bullets that are designed for the 50 AE. The modification I'm referring to is he has added a cannelure groove so I can crimp them when I use them in the 500 S&W. Kind of a neat little tool:cool: and would probably be the answer to doing the same for the Hornady 500gr slugs so they can be used in the lever action 45-70, if you have a real desire to do so:).
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Thanks Johnn, I think Corbon used to make a cannelure tool.
But if I want to shoot 500 grains, I use cast, also, since I'm using an 1886 Winchester, I've got a bit more room..
 
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