Questions about my new CZH 2003

JeffMan

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I’ve received my restricted CZH 2003 from Milarm (From Marstar originally) and have some questions about it.

What parts are new? It looks well worn, a couple of dings, some scratches, and some paint missing.

Is the barrel chromed? It looks like it but it doesn’t look new, could it be?

The inside tip of the muzzle has some deep scratches in the riffling but it doesn’t seem to effect accuracy.

I love the feel of this gun and it was a great price. Any information you guys can give me would be greatly appreciated.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, the parts on the CZH2003s that came from Marstar may all be surplus. I don't think there is necessarily anything "brand new" on them. From what I've seen, wear and chips in the paint is pretty typical on the ones that come from Marstar. Mine has many (gives it character ;) ). The barrel on the Marstar guns should be chrome lined. The newly manufactured longer barrels for the CZ-858-2s are not.

I have the folding stock on mine, and I love it. This gun is light, handy, and tons of fun to shoot. I only wish it was non-restricted ... no, I don't wish the barrel was longer, I just wish short barrels were non-restricted (and all Liberal politicians were deported to Iraq).
 
I believe even the receivers are surplus. That is why we can get these guns, and Americans can only get considerably more expensive versions with American made receivers. These receivers were originally full auto capable, and were modified to be semi-auto only for Canada. Because they never had full-auto components installed in them, they are not considered prohibited converted autos by our law. American laws consider them to be full auto machine guns as soon as they are constructed as capable of accepting full auto components, even if those are never installed in them.

In fact, looking at mine now, the receiver has a date stamped on it which I believe indicates it was made in 1981. I think when they are called "newly manufactured", that only means that the semi-auto-only modifications were done recently, for Canadian import. They are considering that to be the time at which these guns underwent final "manufacturing" for Canada.
 
Well if that number is the date......then you have a new one compared to mine.The one i have is stamped 61.
 
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...Because they never had full-auto components installed in them, they are not considered prohibited converted autos by our law
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Can I interpret this to mean that the reciever has not been used previously. Has the barrel been used or is it just never used milsurp?

Mine is also stamped 61

I like this gun so much I'm considering ordering, aswell, the non restricted version from Wolverine supplies (I've heard so many good things about WS from this board.)

The 858 from Wolverine, does it have the same blemishes as my restricted version or has it been arsinal refinished.

My FN49 was arsenal refinished by FN and it's like new - no dings or blemishes of any kind.
 
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JeffMan said:
The 858 from Wolverine, does it have the same blemishes as my restricted version or has it been arsinal refinished.

My FN49 was arsenal refinished by FN and it's like new - no dings or blemishes of any kind.
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My 858 from P and D was absolutly perfect out of the box. No dings, scratchs, scrapes or blemishes. The only parts that even look 'old' are the sling, mag pouch and bayonet sheath; the leather has some signs of wear, but nothing serious.
 
QYV said:
My 858 from P and D was absolutly perfect out of the box. No dings, scratchs, scrapes or blemishes. The only parts that even look 'old' are the sling, mag pouch and bayonet sheath; the leather has some signs of wear, but nothing serious.
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I would have to say that you were very lucky. It seems to me that these rifles are built from surplus parts and that's it. If there aren't any scratches on the rifle, then chances are you got a rifle made from pieces at the top of the parts barrel. :D
 
It is reasonable to believe that these receivers have not been fully assembled or used previously. I don't believe the same can necessarily be said for any of the other parts.

Every non-restricted CZ-858-2 I have seen in person has been in much better cosmetic condition than the CZH2003 shorties I have seen.
 
I've got to say that it looks like my rifle has been in service.

It functions beutifuly and is accurate but I dont think these parts were even from a bucket but rather a soldiers hands.
 
The CZH 2003 are ex service rifles built originally by CZ-UB for the CSSR military known as (SA VZ58). CZ-Hermex bought the rifles from the military and converted them to semi only for the civilian market. CZ-UB decided also to enter the civilan market so they came out with the CZ 858 Tactical and (Tactical 2 for the Canadian market only). The Tactical 1 also has a chrome lined barel because of its original length. Since CZ-UB is a manufacturer all the 858s are made from new componenets. (Only the accessories are surplus)
 
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