quick idea, sort of wondering if its possible, logistics, legality etc...

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Hi guys!

Got off work today and had an idea for a new survival, small game, medium game, self defense- rifle ( aka the lets cover alot of stuff modular rifle).

wow that was a load off.

Now first off I thought, well what calibre. Now I don't know what im talking about at all when talking about balistics, I guess I would want a round thats fast, flat for a quite a bit of a distance, heavy ish, but not to heavy. Constent but strong, but packable and light enough to carry a whole bunch.

Now I'm thinking I would want maybe a 9mm or 45 cal as the base calibre, or something like that.
But I would definitely want the rifle to be modular, simple, strong. I would like there to be interchangeable barrels and bolts for calibre conversion. There would be a "longer range" bull barrel and then a 18.5 barrel to be non-restricted and a more close range barrel, and maybe even eventually a smaller barrel for restricted class.


---> edit: sorry, maybe even 50AE, and a long bullet?..the .30 carbine or 10 mm??...sorry I have to look up all these, im looking at some example trajectories and dimensions..

Now I'm going to list some links where you can get an idea of the looks I want from the rifle.

looks and simplicity in mechanics, or stock style, color, main materials used.


1. http://autoweapons.com/photos06/feb/1353smith.html

i like this because of the linear design, (the new design would have only 5 round mags or 10 rounds if i figure out the law on pistol round rifles.
but the new design would have modular attachments for a folding stock, ar-15 stocks, wooden stocks or non folding T bar style stocks. Oh and of course it will be semi auto only...and maybe even...)

2. http://autoweapons.com/photos05/sep/1144mod50.html
(Now this rifle, made me think wow, if we could make this new design have
such a modularness to it that you could change an upper assembly
so that the rifle would have a new action, a bolt action!... now of course we would also switch barrels to a heavier one)



3. http://autoweapons.com/photos05/sep/1046hkn.html

(Here I like basically the folding stock, and the grip, but it looks like the trigger is alot lower in relation to the ejection part, that it makes the rifle look maybe to high or tall)

4. http://autoweapons.com/photos05/jan/899ster.html

5. http://www.robarm.com/xcrtm_gallery.htm


(now think number 4 [minus the silly and illegal can], mixed with the all mighty number 5... number 5 just seals the whole modularness i'm looking for. But I dont know enough mechanics yet to know if we need that bigger gas system part)


Well, I'm sorry if this made no sense at all, but if anyone has any imput or ridicule, please do not hesitate, I know I will learn just buy reading some comments.


Thanks!

Have a nice weekend.

Sincerely,
Kevin_h


---> oh no, I think this should be gunsmiting section...
sorry, is there away to move it to the other forum section?
 
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Why pistol calibers? They are the least useful against game, and in many cases will be illegal to use against certain types of game.

I would certainly be working off a 7.62mm platform for defence in the wild. Otherwise heavy pistol caliber carbines are out there.
 
hey hkfan, ha your right! i guess, its only that I was enspired by that pc4 pc9 mixed the the ar-7 and xcr. lol

I don't now, is their no happy medium?

Its gota to be light enough to carry a whack load.
I'm a small dude!

but big hearted:)

lol
 
The perfect rifle has never been invented. In my humble opinion, the cowboys came close with their huge hogleg handguns that used the same ammo as their moderately powerful lever actions. I won't begin to try to list the cartridges here.

A modern .44 Magnum rifle has a certain all-purpose'ness to it. The IPSC rifle guys have some favourite models and loads that knock down their steel. In the woods it is another equation if you need to shoot something far away, thick skinned or mean tempered.

On the other hand, an SKS and Spam can of Soft Point ammo is a good starter kit.
 
WOW THANKS GUYS!

_esquif! yes, bolt action, maybe one of those enfield conversion kits to 45 acp?

_Helno, are you serious?

_maple_leaf_eh thanks for the input...i do have an sks, maybe instead of all this work, ill just buy a few 30/5 round mags for my sks :) haha

but yes, I would love to bubbha an old enfield and make it a 45 or 9mm para with use of those glock mags..mmmm

then, if worse comes to worst, i did manage to get a free copy of those plans to make the machine pistol, now if we do the semi auto version, and keep teh barrel long to proper length (as well as the OAL), and use glock mags...

auwww 10 shot, glock mag, 9mm, semi-auto, home brew camp gun:)
(oh wait and a nice bull barrel)

i dont know, I guess I'll one day make the enfield conversion my first real project, anyone hear of that in 9mm? (just so i can carry whack loads of it)
 
Edit: I guess I shouldnt have stopped to eat before finishing this post.
kevinh said:
_Helno, are you serious?
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The Magazine limits only apply to magazines designed for Handguns and semi-automatic centerfire rifles.

This is why a lee-enfield can have a 10 rd mag and a .22 lr semi-automatic rifle can have a 50 rd mag.


I am slowly working on a design for a pump action rifle chambered in 7.62 TT I will probly use a modified PPsh box mag or make a propreitary one.
 
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Wow!

WOW!

For some odd reason I had in my head (i guess an "urban myth" that only special rounds or calibres has that special status...

So potentially, a modified straight bull rifle with pistol rounds in it, could use unpined sten mags (if the gun was properly converted?) i dont even know if this is possible or practical, but sounds interesting:)

but a pump sounds really nice, I think im going to go low at that .223 pump gun I keep seeing on the forums but forget any details i read :)

man memory is shot:)

Well awesome stuff guys! Thanks!

Kevin H
 
The Magazine limits only apply to Handguns and semi-automatic centerfire rifles.
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Incorrect. The mag limits only apply to the magazines. That's why you can't have 10 rounds in the CX4 magazine, but you can use ten round M92 mags in your CX4 Storm.

could use unpined sten mags
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Nope, read the above. the magazines are the controlled item. the firearm they are used in is not a factor in their limit.
 
Armedsask said:
Incorrect. The mag limits only apply to the magazines.
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My point was that if this was a propietary mag that was designed for a pump action rifle then there would be no limit.

So if I made a new magazine that looked exactly like a ppsh mag but would not fit into a ppsh it doenst have to be pinned but if I took a ppsh mag it would have to be pinned to 5.
 
Armedsask said:
That's why you can't have 10 rounds in the CX4 magazine
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Theoretically that's true. But, the RCMP says you can have 10 rounds in the CX4 mags, because they are the exact same design as the beretta 92 mags, so hence they are designed for a handgun, even though it says CX4 Rifle on the mags. It'd be like taking your AR15 mag and writing "Remington 7600P Pump Action" on the side so you could make it hold 30 ;) It's the design that has to change, not what's stamped in it. That's the big fuss about the Remington 10rd mags, I see people at the range letting 10rd mags rip in their AR15's... I just gotta wonder, is it the exact same design? Did they change it just a bit so they can call it a pump mag even though it's based the AR15? So many questions, no answers.

My 1st 9mm Storm I bought came with 10rd Beretta 92 mags. My second .40 storm came with 10rd CX4 mags, my 3rd 9mm storm bought a month ago came with 10 round CX4 mags :)

-Jamie M.
 
Nope nope. There were pinned to 5 for I'd say maybe 1 month, almost a year ago or more, untill they sent out a "verifiers network" letter saying the future CX4 mags coming in would be unpinned.

-Jamie M.
 
kevinh said:
WOW!

So potentially, a modified straight bull rifle with pistol rounds in it, could use unpined sten mags (if the gun was properly converted?) i dont even know if this is possible or practical, but sounds interesting:)

but a pump sounds really nice, I think im going to go low at that .223 pump gun I keep seeing on the forums but forget any details i read :)

man memory is shot:)

Well awesome stuff guys! Thanks!

Kevin H
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no sten mags even if used in a pump or bolt-they were "originally designed for a semi-auto rifle" - the magazine is restricted, not the rifle. you can't use an AR mag in a pump for the same reason. that's why you can use beretta 92
10 rounders in a Beretta Storm- because they were originally designed for a pistol. you can't use the absolutely identical 10 round mag with "CX4 storm" etched on it because the etching makes it "originally designed for a semi-auto rifle"= so it has to be pinned down to 5 .
 
JohnC said:
"CX4 storm" etched on it because the etching makes it "originally designed for a semi-auto rifle"= so it has to be pinned down to 5 .
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That's not what the RCMP says. I will try and get a copy of the verifiers network notice that went out.
The manufacter takes Beretta 92 mags, and stamps CX4 Storm on the side. They ARE Beretta 92 mags that someone drew CX4 Storm on them with a crayon ;)

I'll scan it and post it if I can dig it up.

-Jamie M.
 
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