R5 or XCR (20" or 28" .308 or .300 WM)

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R5 ($1170) plusses:
Rifling without 90 degree edges, easier cleaning more accurate (M24... yada yada)
24" barrel (even with brake still "reasonable")
Jewelled bolt

XCR ($1200) plusses:
Black (dont like shinny rifles)
Fluted barrel (rigid, cooling)
Externally adjustable trigger

Commonality
Full aluminum bedding block
Stainless barrelled action

Other...
XCR can be had in .300 WM
XCR can be 20" or 26" barrel
XCR a little lighter
R5 really seem like a Sendero (1140)

Purpose would be primarily range shooting, try longer range. Would like the option of taking it hunting but do have SPS DM in .30-06 for that and obviously not long range. Would eventually put a custom barrel on it (something like Gaillard, McPhee...)
 
lineofsight said:
R5 ($1170) plusses:
Rifling without 90 degree edges, easier cleaning more accurate (M24... yada yada)

The barrels that Remington uses are NOT cut rifling and are NOT made by Rock Creek, and are NOT the same barrels as used on the M24s.
That being said they still shoot pretty good for a factory barrel and chambering.

24" barrel (even with brake still "reasonable")
Jewelled bolt

XCR ($1200) plusses:
Black (dont like shinny rifles)
Fluted barrel (rigid, cooling)

Fluted barrels also heat up faster due to the decreased thickness where the flutes are cut. They also tend to heat up unevenly due to the flutes. Any extra rigidity is only accomplished when compared to a barrel of equal weight. A heavy contour barrel of the same dimensions without the flutes will be more ridgid, it will also weigh more.
Externally adjustable trigger

Commonality
Full aluminum bedding block
That for best accuracy still requires proper bedding.

Stainless barrelled action

Other...
XCR can be had in .300 WM
XCR can be 20" or 26" barrel
XCR a little lighter
R5 really seem like a Sendero (1140)

Purpose would be primarily range shooting, try longer range. Would like the option of taking it hunting but do have SPS DM in .30-06 for that and obviously not long range. Would eventually put a custom barrel on it (something like Gaillard, McPhee...)
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Personally if the plan is target use out to 1000 308 works great, if further then the 300 makes more sense, if you really want to go the distance 338 would be the answer.
 
FYI the response I received from Remington on the same question:

The 5R is one of the finer rifles we are currently manufacturing. It is not listed on our web site or in our catalog because it is a limited run we manufacture each year that generally doesn't last very long after being released. The rifles premier characteristic is going to be its rifling. This rifling uses a not typical 5 land/5 groove pattern that reduces drag on the bullet and deforms the jacket less as it moves through the bore. this patterns lends itself to being more accurate, fouls less, and generally increases velocity marginally on the round being used.

The LTR uses the standard 6 land and 6 groove rifling pattern but will itself be a fine shooter because it is from our police line. The bolt on the LTR will not be jeweled but instead parkerized for a non reflective matte finish. Both guns have a very long track record of being superbly accurate but if it were my money it would go the the 5R.
 
lineofsight said:
FYI the response I received from Remington on the same question:

The 5R is one of the finer rifles we are currently manufacturing. It is not listed on our web site or in our catalog because it is a limited run we manufacture each year that generally doesn't last very long after being released. The rifles premier characteristic is going to be its rifling. This rifling uses a not typical 5 land/5 groove pattern that reduces drag on the bullet and deforms the jacket less as it moves through the bore. this patterns lends itself to being more accurate, fouls less, and generally increases velocity marginally on the round being used.

The LTR uses the standard 6 land and 6 groove rifling pattern but will itself be a fine shooter because it is from our police line. The bolt on the LTR will not be jeweled but instead parkerized for a non reflective matte finish. Both guns have a very long track record of being superbly accurate but if it were my money it would go the the 5R.
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All of this is true.
BUT they are NOT Rock Creek 5R barrels, their is a world of difference between the button cut 5R that Remington is using and hoping the uninformed naturally assume ARE Rock barrels, and a real made by Rock Creek barrel that is single point cut rifled.
Remington is banking on the consumer assuming that Rock Creek is supplying these barrels, as they were used for the M40 and M24 rifles built for the USMC.
Rock Creek no longer makes barrels for Remingtons use was the point I was trying to make.
 
If this is primarily a range rifle and LR plinker, consider the 260R or 708. Both will run rings around the 308 and keep within spitting distance of the 300WM.

Also, these are factory rifles with factory pipes. Don't expect teeny tiny groups. May not happen and for that kind of money, there are many other options, including building your own semi custom.

Jerry
 
If this is for hunting too, then you really need to have a look at the 7-08 and the 260. The 7-08 loaded with a 162gr SST or Amax will do much more then a 308 can ever dream off in a hunting rifle.

Reduced wind drift and retained velocity are so much better.

That reduced wind drift keeps the bullet in the boiler room and the increased velocity ensures positive bullet expansion.

Good stuff.

Jerry
 
If you don't like your XCR shiny, paint it. I did. :D
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XCRmonger said:
Better than hello kitty, no? :D
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That's probably the coolest chick rifle I've seen. It also guarantees that no guy is going to borrow it on you as well. Good stuff.

Here's a pic of the 5R. It's since been scoped, but I don't have any recent pictures.

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EC said:
I thought the Remington 5r barrel was hammer forgered rather than button rifled.
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Who knows. Finding info on these guns is difficult. There's a lot of speculation and not much in terms of actual specifications/history. I know the original ones were believed to be Mike Rock 5R overrun barrels from the M24 rifles. As I understand Remington no longer uses those barrels and now makes their own in house. So who knows if these newer 5R rifles are overrun from M24 rifles or if they are acually made for the limited run of the 5R rifle.

Either way mine shoots 5 round groups at 100 yards sub .5 moa with off the shelf 168 grain Federal Gold , medal ammo. It'll be interesting to see how it shoots handloads, and then 175 grain.
 
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