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okay so a lever isnt going to work, I just shouldered abunch of levers and they feel like toys, to small and not ergonomic.

looking for a good bolt .22

1. the Savage BTVS in .22lr feels good, slightly small (not really noticeable)
downside only optics which isnt necessary for my hunting but could easily work with a red dot

2. CZ 452 Lux, hear allot of great things about it. tho everyone says its equal to the btvs just a nicer length to shoulder which in my opinion is important.
 
Fur and feathers.........whoooot.
Find yourself a store that hosts a fair range of
different 22's.
Sounds like you're long in limb.
Find something that fits and you could like and take it
from there.
Ruger and Weatherby make full stock rimfires.
Maybe consider a slip on pad to gain an inch of
length of pull?
Fugly but functional.
 
I'm a big guy and never had trouble shooting grouse with a Ruger M77/22. Like the synthetic stock, stainless barrel myself. Good shooter.
 
Well, adding a recoil pad can easily make any rifle butt longer and more ergonomic.

The biggest problem you are going to run into if you insist on using open sights is going to be the drop on the comb of the butt. It will usually be to high to get your eye aligned correctly with the sights. Especially if you wear glasses.

I would suggest you try a rifle with a mounted scope and wear a heavy jacket or coat that you would use while hunting. You will definitely notice a difference.

The CZ 452 Lux is an excellent rifle. Well finished and very accurate. It also has the European fetish for using open sights in mind with stock design. IIRC, there are factory inserts available to lengthen the butt as well.

I really don't know the circumstances you will hunt rabbits under but where I hunt them, the normal ranges are in the 75-125 yard bracket. Thats why I use a CZ 452 chambered in 22mag, with a 3-9 powered Leupold. Great combination with the right ammo.
 
If your hunting grouse with a rifle I suggest you stay away from the heavy barrel. I dont know about where you are but around here grouse hunting involves covering a lot of ground on foot into some pretty thick bush. The extra weight of a HB rifle will become noticable. I had a savage BTVS in .17hmr I took once. I've since replaced it with a standard sporter weight version with a synthetic stock. The lighter gun is much easier to carry and shoots just as well for what I need it to do. The heavy barrel thumbhole version is nice for stationary shooting but when it comes to a 7 hour trek through the bush lighter is better. The browning t bolts look like they come with an adult size stock, pretty nice rifle too I think. Faster follow ups.
 
I have said it before and will say it again, my Coeey model 60 is so damn accurate. Paid 80 bucks for it at Ellwoods and couldn't be happier. Receiver is taped if I ever want to mount optics on it. Couldn't ask for anything more, especially at that price point. If you are going to do a lot of hiking with the rifle, I personally would not recommend going bull barel. When it comes to Savage and CZ you can't go wrong with either, it all just comes down to what you want to pay and which you prefer over the other.
 
Anyone have a model 60? For my purposes it may work.

About the CZ what's the difference with the 452 and 455, just the ability to change barrels? Everything else remains the same?
 
Price as well.
The CZ 455 is a few peso's more.
Well, what I found.

The Browning T-Bolt is a great shooter too.
Couple mags go with the synthetic stocks.
 
sl66ICEcuba said:
I have said it before and will say it again, my Coeey model 60 is so damn accurate. Paid 80 bucks for it at Ellwoods and couldn't be happier. Receiver is taped if I ever want to mount optics on it. Couldn't ask for anything more, especially at that price point. If you are going to do a lot of hiking with the rifle, I personally would not recommend going bull barel. When it comes to Savage and CZ you can't go wrong with either, it all just comes down to what you want to pay and which you prefer over the other.
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I sold my savage mkII because the cooey 60 is so much better imho. Love that gun and wouldnt sell it for what I paid for it that is for sure.
 
Shnitzl said:
Anyone have a model 60? For my purposes it may work.

About the CZ what's the difference with the 452 and 455, just the ability to change barrels? Everything else remains the same?
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Anything will work for your purpose... for more than thirty years all we used for grouse and hares were Sheridan C9 pneumatic .20 caliber airguns and Benji HB20 pistols... they net a whopping 10 and 5 ft/lb's respectively... compared to any LR rounds with 75-100 ft/lb's... just find a gun that you like the feel of... you can always change sights out so don't worry as much about the stock sights. What lever actions did you try that felt... "like toys, to small and not ergonomic."???

There is nothing toy-like OR small about a Henry H001T Frontier or Henry H004 Golden Boy and they both make fine small game guns... especially if you add a nice peep sight (Skinner or Lyman).

We hunt with most of our rimfire's including some funky custom guns. My son, pictured below;

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I'm 6' 3" in my socks, arms measure 6' 5 3/4" from tip to tip and my favorite .22s for upland bird season are my Winchester era Cooey model 39 and last year's Crickett. For close in the bush using irons i carry the 39 and the Cricket with it's crappy little plastic x4 power gets out when there's more room between the trees.

Anything bigger seems kind of silly - in the early morning you can knock them off the their branches with a stick.

Gophers and 'yotes are a different matter entirely :)
 
On this subject. I am using a 22mag as well. What ammo would u recommend for hares and birds? My model 93 btvs is a bit sort for me but serviceable with the heft of a center fire (doesn't feel like a toy). I am also very tall with just over a 6' wingspan.

Ian
 
Just picked up a Savage Mk2 TR and it felt better for me than the CZ did. It has a target stock which I found a better fit than the other rifles as I also have a large frame. The one thing is that if you get a wooden stock you can easily replace the recoil pad with a deeper one making it fit better and opening up your options a bit.
 
I can get a .22lr CZ 452 Lux new for $483 taxes in. seems like a deal.
is that to good of a deal to pass up?

I hate decisions, I need them all!
 
Shnitzl said:
I can get a .22lr CZ 452 Lux new for $483 taxes in. seems like a deal.
is that to good of a deal to pass up?

I hate decisions, I need them all!
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The LUX is a nice shooting gun... I am not a fan of the LUX stock profile... I prefer the Varmint or American. You would not regret a Savage MKII either... here are pics of a couple MKII's;

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I have a Ranger[Cooey 60] and I didn't want to scope it,but welded a washer on the rear sight which functions like a ''ghost ring''-huge improvement over the original ''open sights''
 
Shnitzl said:
I can get a .22lr CZ 452 Lux new for $483 taxes in. seems like a deal.
is that to good of a deal to pass up?

I hate decisions, I need them all!
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Seems like an okay deal, but I'm not a CZ expert. No deal is too good to pass up if it's not the right rifle for you. But it sounds like it will work for you. In general, stay with sporter weight barrels if you anticipate doing unsupported shooting.

I wouldn't be surprised if you wind up wanting two (or more) 22 rifles: One open sights, one scoped.
 
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