Random question on DND and the Uzi
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We did our own thing here with the C1 Sterling. Had fun with these back in the 70's.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/c1-submachine-gun
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/c1-submachine-gun
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For a while my father was friends with several Sherbrooke cops. Sometime in their 'holdup squad' days of the 60s or 70s, they bought a typical UZI. The front sight has a ring that tightens on a screw with an offset post. They wanted my father to make a tool for them. Of course, he had 9mm ball and several people got to fire this thing. I had fired the 9mm SMG C1 before, and much preferred British design principles to Israeli ones.
That same gun was used in the accidental death of two labourers who were believed to be bank robbers. John Allore was doing really good amateur police journalism, inspired by the unsolved murder of his sister Theresa Allore. She went to the same CEGEP that I did. John was killed while cycling near his home in South Carolina. I don't believe there is any relationship to his writings, just bad luck.
https://theresaallore.com/2021/12/11/bang-bang-knock-knock-the-rock-forest-massacre-part-2/
That same gun was used in the accidental death of two labourers who were believed to be bank robbers. John Allore was doing really good amateur police journalism, inspired by the unsolved murder of his sister Theresa Allore. She went to the same CEGEP that I did. John was killed while cycling near his home in South Carolina. I don't believe there is any relationship to his writings, just bad luck.
https://theresaallore.com/2021/12/11/bang-bang-knock-knock-the-rock-forest-massacre-part-2/
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you would really need to do some digging into the procurement process around the HK MP5
there would have been some sort of trials that may have included other similar platforms like the Uzi
but I have never heard anything about Uzis used by DND
there would have been some sort of trials that may have included other similar platforms like the Uzi
but I have never heard anything about Uzis used by DND
A little German Uzi and Canadian C1 SMG story for you (so get your helmet and armour on), on 1984 Fallex in Germany our Lynx patrol was deemed dead for six hours and thanks to the umpires we where in a nice little town with a super little Gasthof so a few post death libations (and meal) where called for to mark our passing. Six hours pass and we get back into the "war" but now its raining Katz und Hunds and is blacker then the inside of a cow. So we head off to find Recce Sqn RCD and are zipping across those super paved roads that the German farmers have every where in their fields I am driving, (Perry B/"Boots") is the CC, as we drive past a barn that was little more then a black shape among more black shapes among many black shapes I self question WTF are with the tiny little lights ??? I stop driving, Perry asks why am I stopping and just then our junior C/S starts blasting away at the "dark shape with tiny lights" behind us. Turns out we had just "captured" a Bundeswehr Marder CP . The Marder crew locked the vehicle (turns out in fear) and refused to come out and just put the ramp down enough to talk. Umps come along tell them to open up and heres the good part, give up all their maps, CEOIs (or whatever the Germans call those), and codes. Everbody is out, sharing smokes, shooting the breeze and the Germans are enthralled by the C1 SMG while the crew of the other vehicle are enthralled by the Uzis the Germans had shortly thereafter the Germans are blasting away (blanks) on the C1 SMG and the Canadians are doing the same with Uzi. Talk about one very weird, wet and wild, night and an informal, brief small unit exchange.
We manufactured the Sten, which was made in the millions. There were only about 600,000 Grease Guns made and they were all made by one US company. For Canada to have the Grease Gun is a little strange.
That German SAR-manufactured Uzi is likely produced on old Bundeswehr tooling provided by Israel back when the German Army issued the Uzi as the MP2 (1959-??_).
As far as Canada and the Uzi is concerned, there doesn't appear to have been any doubt that Canada would adopt some form of the Sterling SMG once the British Army selected the Sterling in 1953, following late-war trials of its forerunner, the Patchett Machine Carbine. It took a few years for Canada to design the slmplified version of the Sterling that we adopted, so production of the Canadian C1 SMG did not commence until 1959. Canada employed the Sten Mk II as its primary SMG until the C1 SMG started rolling off the assembly line. No trial of available 1950s post-War SMGs appears to have been conducted. Rather, the modified Sterling design became the defacto Canadian standard SMG without debate circa 1959.
The closest that I am aware of the CAF getting to the Uzi SMG was Colt Canada's (when still named Diemaco) brief dalliance with Uzi Gal's successor to the Uzi, the Ruger MP9. Apparently once Ruger was done with the design due to a lack of commerical success, Diemaco expressed some interest to the point of apparently purchasing the Technical Data Package from Ruger. That's about where my memory fades WRT the Uzi successor that really never was and its "Canadian connection"....
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