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I have an old G24 Mauser Israeli converted into .308
Today I went to the range to test the accuracy. Gosh, what a disapointment! I used A-Max bullets and 42gr Varget but the bullets were spread all over the target. My scope was a 6x Weaver. I must admit the barrel went pretty hot after 15 shots.:eek:

Should I use other bullets? How deep should I seat the bullets?

Thanks for input!

Martin

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Did you try some shots without the bipod, i.e., resting on a sandbag? Some of the worst grouping I've ever done with various rifles was when using a bipod. ;)
What weight bullets did you use, JOOC?
 
With any rifle, you need to find a load that suits it. You just can't pick something at random and expect it to work out. Rarely are you that lucky.

The combination can shoot if the rifle is up to the task. Many barrels will warp when they get hot. That can happen in as little as 3rds this time of year.

Also, you assume that the rifle is properly bedded and will drive tacks. make sure you cover all the bases which includes shooting from a solid rest. A bipod is not a solid rest and unless you have a lot of experience/practice, one of the worse ways to shoot accurately/test loads.

Jerry
 
Also, you assume that the rifle is properly bedded and will drive tacks. make sure you cover all the bases which includes shooting from a solid rest. A bipod is not a solid rest and unless you have a lot of experience/practises, one of the worse ways to shoot accurately.
I find prone with a bipod as accurate if not more so than off the bench with a moderate weight gun. The bench guys make up for that with those honken heavies.
I would say that barrel has a twist rate that will shoot 147 grain bullets well. Might want to try 150 gr by the bag stuff from winchester. Were the bullets 150 or 168 that you used?
 
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Thanks guys. Yes, I used 168 grainers (it says 11 twist rate on the box!). I didn't know that shooting with a bipod may cause problems. The barrel is not bedded. It was a quick project to have some fun. Try some lighter loads!
 
make sure the action screws are tight, and that the scope mounts are as well. also using a scope of known quality is good too.

get the action bedded, work on the trigger if possible

use a steady rest, try with and without a bipod (switch to sandbags).

use quality precision handloads, and Im sure accuracy will improve, although who knows how accurate it can be.

getting some guns to shoot can be fun, sometimes, not :)
 
Martin, it could be a number of things. The barrel could even be burned out, the throat could be gone, or the crown could be damaged.

Assuming that these are not the problems, I've found that getting a '98 Mauser to shoot with all the wood on can sometimes be a challenge. So my first suggestion would be to remove the top wood and barrel bands completely, just for testing.

Next, I'd make absolutely sure that the action was properly bedded. I've done a serviceable job using ordinary epoxy mixed with sawdust, or even the heavy-duty version of Bondo called Bondo Glass. If you don't know how to do this job, you should search the internet for instructions. It's not that complicated. In fact, the preparation takes more time, organization and precision than the actual bedding job.

Once the action is bedded in the stock, I'd make sure the barrel doesn't touch anywhere to start with. I'd also make sure the scope is attached properly.

Next, I'd buy some Americal Eagle type FMJ ammo as a reference. If everything is basically OK, you should expect ordinary cheap factory (but decent quality) loads like this to give you at least 2.5 inches or thereabouts at 100 yards.

If, after bedding, free-floating the barrel, and removing the top wood, your rifle still scatters shots with factory ammo like American Eagle, the next thing I would start doing is to put pressure at one point under the barrel. The best way to do this is to have a supply of business cards on hand and partially unscrew the action, slip in a folded business card, then tighten the action again until the barrel sqeezes down on the business card. Then shoot a few shots and see if things improve. I've had excellent results doing this with a number of rifles in the past, including a couple of Mauser 98s.

If one business card makes a bit of improvement, try two. If that improves things more, try three. You get the idea.

If you find that the business card trick does help, you should make it permanent. You could either put a dab of bedding compound in that area and screw the action back on lightly (with release agent, of course). Once it's dry, I'd put a layer or two of black electrical tape to prevent the barrel from resting on the hard bedding compound. The other option is to take your business cards, cut them to size, and simply coat the whole works with enough epoxy to keep them in place.

If none of this helps, you are in serious trouble, and it usually means that you'll need a new barrel. If that's the case, let us all know, and we'll suggest options.

If things have improved, however, then you should start experimenting with your handloads. Do all the handloading tricks, including adjusting seating depth and powder charges, etc. Personally, I wouldn't waste AMAX bullets at this stage unless you're certain the rifle is capable of five shots into half an inch or less at 100 yards. Instead, I'd simply choose lead-tipped Hornady hunting bullets, either 150 or 165-grain. I've shot a number of half-inch groups with Hornady hunting bullets, so AMAXes really aren't warranted on anything less than a match-quality rifle.

As for shooting, take your time. To be really precise, I'd shoot groups of four shots with that rifle, making a mental note of where each shot lands in the sequence of the string. For example, if every time your fourt shot goes high and to the right, you'll know that your barrel has a consistent pattern as it heats.

I'd wate at least TEN MINUTES between strings, and try to wait at least a minute or two between shots.

If after doing all this, things really improve, you can then think about putting the top wood and barrel bands back on. If doing this causes some problems, you should probably look to see if the top wood is touching the barrel at any point. Ideally, you'll want to sand it all out so that there is a fair amount of air space around the top of the barrel, no matter how tight you have the top wood clamped into place. This way, when the barrel bounces up on firing, it won't hit the top wood anywhere.

Let us know how it all works out.
 
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Think I have to get a day off next week:D
First I'm going to get a box of reference ammo. I prefer non-corrosive.
I noticed that the rifle shoots pretty good at 50m. But when I went to 100 I couldn't keep the shots in one group. I had a clear traget view and my hands were steady.
Anyways, I let you know how it goes. Thanks for all your ideas and time.
 
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Like I said above, you could try bedding it. In fact, if you care about the rifle, you SHOULD bed it.

However, I've got a sinking feeling that you'll probably need to replace that barrel in the end. It's not the end of the world, but that's going to cost a few hundred bucks.
 
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