RANT about guides in Canada and TV

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after seeing some of my fellow CGN and there spring bears I got disgusted with some of the PROMOTION we are getting in Canada as a whole on guided bear hunts

best of the west TV show was in Prince George BC last night hunting black bear with a local guide outfitter, and I can say by 10 minutes into the show I was SICK to think these morons represent our country as hunting guides, the moron guide told his hunters as a SMALL black bear walked off the road that he would grunt like a calf moose?????? then he said that the black bears will track down cow moose in the spring and attack them and there calves?????? they then proceeded to kill a bear that the guide refered to as a great boar, I wonder how great it was seeing the hunters hand was bigger than the side of the bears head :eek: , then they stalked another great boar again was maybe a 5 foot bear :eek:

I guess it wouldnt be bad if I didnt LIVE in this area and have hunted the area to know the guide was a moron who obviously didnt have a clue what a bear was and made stupid comments on film to try and look cool!

I however would like to thank the CGN crew of bear hunters for being REAL bear hunters and not dusting the first little bear they see just to say they killed a bear and always giving a great story behind there hunts, it makes watching tv that much more bareable in the end :D
 
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The owner of the hunting camp I was looking at told me that they keep the deer or bear that the client shot away from the general public. Only the hunting party or people with the hunting party actually see the animals. The reason for this is to avoid a local laughing at the size of some of the animals harvested. Can't make that big dollar hunter feel like the dufus he is.
 
Well the only comment I can make on this is "Idon't much like guides , outfitters and the like, I will NEVER pay 1k to shoot a lousy deer let alone 4k and up for other biggame. This is why BC and AB have "hunter host" provisions for non resident hunters to go hunt without a guide, and i can hunt with friends :) I also believe the gov't should get outta bed with the outfitters and let people hunt as they wish ! just my humble opinion.
 
greywolf said:
Well the only comment I can make on this is "Idon't much like guides , outfitters and the like, I will NEVER pay 1k to shoot a lousy deer let alone 4k and up for other biggame. This is why BC and AB have "hunter host" provisions for non resident hunters to go hunt without a guide, and i can hunt with friends :) I also believe the gov't should get outta bed with the outfitters and let people hunt as they wish ! just my humble opinion.
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I never used an outfitter but I have played the hunter host to many friends from neighboring provinces and states. If time is short and a guy has the cash and no local connections, I see no problem with hiring an outfitter to get you into some of these areas.

Some guys have only a week a year to hunt and if they are willing to pay to maximaize that opportunity -- good for them.
 
the key there is "if they are willing" Most provinces don't give you a choice, and thst is mostly what i believe is wrong , bc and alberta have gotten the closest to good so far , with the hunter/host thing , but still I think folks should be able to hunt with or without an outfitter or host or anything , if they are worried about idiots getting themselves lost etc.... then they should make it all around illegal for non residents to go in the bush period , or best of all if you get lost or whatever you have to pay out of your own pocket for the cost of the rescue !The way it looks right now though, is the gov't is playing fav's with the outfitters, don't need one to fish, or hunt small game what's the diff with biggame ? it is the almighty $ , they charge me a canadian resident 1k to hunt grizz in bc and ab ! that is just the license fee, then they tell me i must hire an outfitter. not likely ! i'll just get friend to host me . I think it's ok to do that to nonresident aliens, but not to your own !
 
I moved to AB from BC 4 years ago. Was planning on returning to hunt sheep up north with a friend. $600 + for a tag!!! No freakin' way. Does not matter if I am from Alberta or Germany as far as BC is concerned. Was going to hunt near Cranbrook for Turkeys this spring, turns out the Gov. wants me to pay extra to hunt gamebirds now?? $131 to hunt a turkey, geez. At one non-residents could hunt small game and game birds with only their non-resident licence, not now.

I have a friend I hunter host each fall. All tolled, with his licences and tags it costs him $180 to hunt an elk or a deer. If he wants to fish, it costs him the EXACT same amount it costs me. In BC, I have to pay $20 A DAY to fish most of the decent waters, in addition to a stupidly expensive license.

BTW, if my buddy get's drawn for sheep here, his tag will be less then 1/2 of what it would cost me there.
 
well BC has a acompany to hunt permit it is very regulated, only certain species may be hunted in certain areas etc, I do beleive there is a place for guide outfitters BUT do not beleive there is room to embarass us as a country on national TV, if I hired a guide in manitoba to take me out for mule deer I sure as hell woudnt be happy if I paid $5000 and got a spike buck out of it thats for dam sure, and it realy p!sses in my cornflakes that so many guides on tv are bouncing around screaming NICE BEAR, sure weres its twin so I can stuff my foot up there arses and make a pair of fuzzy bear slippers!

I have guided for bear in BC and hunted them for several years and KNOW dam well that there are alot of good 6 foot+ bears out there even a good ft 5'6" + bear I wouldnt get pissy about but when the guide on TV can grab the bear with 1 hand and drag it ??? either he is hulk hogan or thats 1 dam small bear! it just disgusts me that they do this and call it representing canadian hunting, hell that bear they shot last night I could have talked gatehouse into wrestling him for a laff and to make comments like that little black bear wil kill a moose calf and fend off the cow moose?? yea right black bears are the biggest sissies in the bush and probably the least confrontational animals around, note I am only refering to blackies not grizz.

and to be a guide and start bellering like a basett hound stuck in a door for 5 minutes on tv only to look at your hunter and say I dont know what went wrong???? WTF LMAO

Ill tell you what went wrong, it started when you got a dam assistant guides licence thats what! jackass
 
and yes agreed Pudel tags in BC are outrageous priced for non residents hunting and fishing

A BC resident to hunt all game . .$32.00★▲
A BC Resident who is 65 years of
age or over to hunt all game . . . . . .$7.00★
A resident of Canada (not BC), or a
Canadian citizen to hunt all game
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$75.00★
A non-resident to hunt all game
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$180.00★
A person to hunt in the Fraser Valley
Special Area (See Region 2) . . . . . .$10.00★
A person to hunt in the Gulf Islands Special
Area. All islands in MU 1-1 (except
Vancouver Island) and Denman and
Hornby Islands in MU 1-6 . . . . . . . . . .$2.00
A junior hunting licence - to a person
10 years of age or older and
under age 14 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$7.00★▲
Canada Migratory Game Bird Hunting
Permit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$17.00▲
Queen Charlotte Island (QCI)
Deer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$10.00★
Non-Resident QCI Deer . . . . . . . .$25.00★


-------------------------------BC --------Non-BC
------------------------------Resident----Resident
Bison . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$70.00 . . . .$700.00
Black Bear . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $20.00 . . . .$180.00
Bobcat ✱ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$8.00 . . . . .$40.00
Caribou ✱ . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$20.00 . . . .$230.00
Cougar ✱ . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$30.00 . . . .$230.00
Deer ▼ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$15.00 . . . .$125.00
mule, white-tailed and fallow deer)
Elk . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$25.00 . . . .$250.00
Grizzly Bear ✱ . . . . . . . . . .$80.00 . . .$1,030.00
Lynx ✱ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$8.00 . . . . .$40.00
Moose . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$25.00 . . . .$250.00
Mountain Goat ✱ . . . . . . .$40.00 . . . .$350.00
Mountain Sheep ✱ . . . . . .$60.00 . . . .$620.00
Wolf . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .No Licence . . . .$50.00
Wolverine ✱ . . . . . . . . . . . . .$8.00 . . . . .$40.00
 
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greywolf said:
the key there is "if they are willing" Most provinces don't give you a choice, and thst is mostly what i believe is wrong , bc and alberta have gotten the closest to good so far , with the hunter/host thing , but still I think folks should be able to hunt with or without an outfitter or host or anything , if they are worried about idiots getting themselves lost etc.... then they should make it all around illegal for non residents to go in the bush period , or best of all if you get lost or whatever you have to pay out of your own pocket for the cost of the rescue !The way it looks right now though, is the gov't is playing fav's with the outfitters, don't need one to fish, or hunt small game what's the diff with biggame ? it is the almighty $ , they charge me a canadian resident 1k to hunt grizz in bc and ab ! that is just the license fee, then they tell me i must hire an outfitter. not likely ! i'll just get friend to host me . I think it's ok to do that to nonresident aliens, but not to your own !
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And I disagree. I think that for provincially managed species that residents of the province should get first crack at the licenses with the extras going to NR Canadians and then NR Aliens.

Small game are in abundant supply here with little competition. Not so with big game.

Now Federally managed species like waterfowl should be open in every province to all resident Canadians to hunt with resident status no matter where they are from -- much like the coastal recreational fisheries are.
 
I know one fellow from here that took a job a a guide for elk in BC. Twit had shot 2 does over his "many years" of hunting experience (his cousin's spilled the beans one evening over beers). Absolutely FOS, managed to get his clients into ZERO elk over the course of the season. Granted, this did not appear to be a great area, but I think it had more to do with the fact he was a useless tool, BS'r, who couldn't find his ass with both hands.

About the "show" put on by the guide, well what do you expect when the cameras are rolling? I get a kick out of the baby bears Mr. Pee-jon keeps shooting on TV. Christ, I would be embarrassed to show my face. Damn bears look like mickey mouse their heads are so small. But, they have flown all the way up to ###### Lake, to stay at ###### Lodge, to hunt bears eating Tim Horton's doughnuts and rotten beaver meat. Better shoot something or you have nothing to show for it!
 
I agree with Sjemac. I don't mind paying more, but come on! When Bone-collector puts the prices up side x side, it looks ridiculous. Tags are 10X the cost.

Somewhere there is an extra charge / license for game birds, I do not see that there. It is $60 or so.
 
would it bother you atall to watch a hunting show were they videoed a pile of animals but didnt chose to shoot 1 because they couldnt find the one they wanted?

its called hunting not gathering, a discusion in my house as of late in great detail, as myself and my 16 year old son both got grizzly LEH tags for the same area this year, due to a auto accident that was found 100% NOT MY FAULT, and leaving me with limited use of my arm and hand I cannot go on my hunt nor can my son, I am having a great debate with ICBC (insurance corp of BC) over what that hunt was worth to me, they claim I may NOT have gotten that grizz even with years of guiding and hunting bears under my belt my argument is ITS NOT GATHERING THE BEAR its the enjoyment of the hunt and experience with my son I have lost, I didnt win a lottery ticket to go pickup my grizz at 7-11 I won the right to hunt 1

this stems back to the tv show IMHO you dont have to KILL to be a hunter but you do have to enjoy the time out with friends and family or on your own and I beleive it would leave a better taste in peoples mouths if TV stopped making it out to be YOU HAVE TO KILL TO HUNT attitude!
 
never said that outfitters don't have their place, they do , and licenses don't need to be that expensive tho, and as for the rest sure , i agree residents should have first crack , and their licenses are cheaper , no prob, alll they need to do is say x licenses for residents x licenses for non residents and x licenses for alien non res , prob solved , majority of tags go to res, then non res , and last to non res aliens with the least, problem solved there , and give folks a choice whether or not they want an outfitter or not , i know that most americans if given the choice would still take the outfitter, simply because they are used to it from down there, and they like the spoiled comforts of home when not hunting . for me tho , i like the bush, and my tents , i like to process my own game, i like to CHOOSE for myself which animal i want, and not be told shoot that one but not that one etc... and then have a guide yelling at me shoot shoot shoot .... i'd tell him to buzz off. If that is what folks like and call a hunt , fine , go for it , for me , i like to be left alone with a good buddy or 2 and do our thing , if we get an animal . great , if we don't great too , if it's mall, then we have only ourselves to blame ! i bet on best of the west, they don't go back there to that oufitter , I agree he is an embarrassment what a joke that bear was, there wasn't enough bear there for a pair of warm and fuzzies (slippers)
 
i'll pay the 1030 $ for the license , but not for an outfitter, I always say "I don't Need to be babysat" I've been wandering in the bush in MB and BC for 30 yrs now , i go in , me and my rifle , i come out , me and my rifle ,and my meat :) of course a bit of gear too. but my point is I have never had probs going in or out and know my way around the bush. I plan on dying of old age ....in my deer stand , gun in hand , and a smile on my face, with "kiss this" Tattooed on my butt, and buried with butt up ! I'll be the talk of the archeaological community in 10k yrs :)
 
bone-collector said:
would it bother you atall to watch a hunting show were they videoed a pile of animals but didnt chose to shoot 1 because they couldnt find the one they wanted?

its called hunting not gathering, a discusion in my house as of late in great detail, as myself and my 16 year old son both got grizzly LEH tags for the same area this year, due to a auto accident that was found 100% NOT MY FAULT, and leaving me with limited use of my arm and hand I cannot go on my hunt nor can my son, I am having a great debate with ICBC (insurance corp of BC) over what that hunt was worth to me, they claim I may NOT have gotten that grizz even with years of guiding and hunting bears under my belt my argument is ITS NOT GATHERING THE BEAR its the enjoyment of the hunt and experience with my son I have lost, I didnt win a lottery ticket to go pickup my grizz at 7-11 I won the right to hunt 1

this stems back to the tv show IMHO you dont have to KILL to be a hunter but you do have to enjoy the time out with friends and family or on your own and I beleive it would leave a better taste in peoples mouths if TV stopped making it out to be YOU HAVE TO KILL TO HUNT attitude!
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I utterly concur , i couldn't care less if i get my bear , i enjoy the experience as much , I also go for meat , not trohy's , my trophy is pictures , and a rack if one happens to be included with the kill, or whatever trophy i can get from it , last year , i got 3 deer, 3 shots , under a minute , not an everyday occurance, i got a 5 point buck in the deal , (didn't see the rack , thought it was good size doe) I kept the rack put it on a plaque and a piccie underneath of the 3 of them and a little brass tag saying where and when , that was my trophy !
 
The problem is with the TV shows guide or not. It gives people new to the sport or to an area a false impression of the real story. Living in Sask. is a classic example. All the hype on TV after the Hanson buck was shot is just stupid. Every knob I've run into thinks the guides will give them a 160 plus buck.

Not so. They are here but few and far between. They come up and shoot something small and want the guides to let them get another one bigger.

Outfitters with unrealistic marketing hype through TV shows just puts a stink in the air.
 
I agree that there are some outfitters that promise unrealistic trophies.
However, the outfitter-trashing is un-called for.
Reading the posts makes me beliefe that some posters have the Lords' gift when it comes to hunting and bush knowledge.
It is easy to talk the talk, but walking the walk may be a different story.
 
you sound like an outfitter ? ?? Sorry but to FORCE me to buy services for a ridiculous and exhorbitant fee is my only complaint , *I* don't want nor need an outfitter ! What is wrong with that ? I nor anyone else should be forced to hire one and be told how to spend our $ , the gov't does not have that right, those are my complaints and i don't care how reputable the outfitter is , now if you are a NONRESIDENT ALIEN, then i wholeheartedly concur , make them have an outfitter ! unless they have relatives here in canada. Another problem actually is this : Being forced to have an outfitter negates the plan i had when i was in Sak to have my dad come down and hunt with me, can't do it , unless he hires an outfitter, and then of course i have to as well. Is that fair ? it's all gov't and outfitter $ driven. I have no prob with outfitters , so long as they are fair in their pricing, i get guided, not babysat, I decide what I want, I'd even sign a contract stating that if I shot a less than perfect animal or a female of that species , that it was MY CHOICE and agree to not hold the outfitter liable etc... or whatever they want. Outfitters have their place , FOR THOSE THATR WANT THEM ! not to be forced to hire one just because i no longer live in the area. do that and i have no prob with them at all, soak the non canadians for all you can get for all i care.
 
Perkins said:
I agree that there are some outfitters that promise unrealistic trophies.
However, the outfitter-trashing is un-called for.
Reading the posts makes me beliefe that some posters have the Lords' gift when it comes to hunting and bush knowledge.
It is easy to talk the talk, but walking the walk may be a different story.
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um I have been a guide for several years in northern BC as well as a hunter for 24 years now and yea I will bash an outfitter that is a baby killer all I want and ill walk your walk, the first thing I was ever told as a guide was I am a representative of the company and a representative of BC/Canada, now why on earth would I make up BULLSH!T stories about animals and feed my hunters the smallest bears I could find? so they could go home disgusted with there time spent here? maybe tell everyone else about there tiny bears so you lose potential bookings? or ruin others chances at booking because there scared to throw thousands of dollars away again?

if all you have left are small bears then maybe you should take a look at the greed factor and get a grip, just because your alloted 50 bear tags a year dosnt mean you have to shoot 50 bears a year, maybe conservation should be apart of your company to asure future stocks of quality animals wouldnt you think?
 
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