Re: Bush-pilot does not arrive, how long to wait before survival mode?

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Re: Bush-pilot does not arrive, how long to wait before survival mode?

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Re: Bush-pilot does not arrive, how long to wait before survival mode?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2007, 09:51:20 PM »
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Before I became a line pilot for a commercial airline, I was a bush pilot. As it so happened I ran into unexpected bad weather and was put into a forced landing on a lake located in the far north. As it happened it was dark and out of the corner of my eye I caught what I thought was a light. Making a long story short it turned out to be two American fishermen who had been forgotten by their bush pilot by one week. They were in bad shape but so was I from the perspective of being low on fuel and also needing rescue. Using their canoe and help from them I was able to portage out and get help. In turn I was able to fly them out. In fact, we kind of saved each other. The point being that these things happen and today with all the technology at hand you should not go into the remote wilderness without some sort of communication, whatever you choose to take. Either leave info at home as to your destination and expected time of arrival back home, so that if you are late the family can initiate rescue procedures or have a satellite phone with you.. It is more common than known to be forgotten by bush pilots for various reasons. They rotate out for rest and forget to tell others, sometimes they quit the job and don't care, etc. Bottom line, if you don't have communication with your pilot then start after two days. The longer you wait the more dangerous it gets for you. You run out of food, etc. and then your chances start to diminish rapidly!
There was an incident in Alaska many years ago where a hunter was forgotten and lived for 3 months before finally shooting himself with his last .44 mag bullet. He left a detailed book of everything he went through and it was that book that indicated the errors in signalling that he made. Unfortunately he had a chance to be rescued but used the wrong signals when spotted by another aircraft. You can obtain a manual from the government, small and portable, easy to take in the bush, and it tells you what to do in terms of what signals are to be used for rescue purposes. A lot of people wave their arms which in rescue terms means everything is o.k. 3 fires placed in a triangle, ready to be lit when you hear an aircraft is the normal signal. It is worth your life to take the time to learn what to do when in need of rescue. Most hunters I have run into do not know about rescue procedures. This can be a deadly mistake as the Alaskan hunter found out.
 
I simply know that some are going to reply that Satellite phones may be the answer. Not so, just recently while hunting up north, I ran into a hunter who packed a Global Star that he had rented. I told him that it was a good idea. He replied that it did not work, pulled it out and showed my the screen which read "no service". Go figure. The moral of the story here is don't believe what the salespeople tell you, get some feedback from people who have used them in the area that you plan to hunt.

Back on topic. Even if a bush pilot forgets about you, what about wife, relatives etc. I always leave a detailed plan of my whereabouts and return expectation time and date.
 
Global Star service is garbage! I have gone as long as 4 hours trying to lock on to a satellite only to have the call dropped half way through. If you ##### enough they will give you a credit on your bill but the point is they can't be trusted for any urgent situation.
 
Working with SRD over the summer I learned one thing above all else:
Bring the firenet radio because Global Star aint gonna work. BTW, lesson no. two was always have ####tickets on hand
 
GlobalStar is just a joke, and have been for at least two years now!

They should be put out of business, as they are really misrepresenting themselves to the public. River Rat on the board here, has been able to use his unit less than an hour, total, in 2006 and 2007! How's that for service at $60/month? He cancelled his subscription two days ago, and had to fight with them to let him go. :rolleyes:

I am amazed that someone hasn't sued the pants off them.

Ted
 
There was an incident in Alaska many years ago where a hunter was forgotten and lived for 3 months before finally shooting himself with his last .44 mag bullet. He left a detailed book of everything he went through and it was that book that indicated the errors in signalling that he made.
I'd read that. Obviously tragic but intriguing at the same time.
 
A friend of mine has an Iridium phone and he says he can get out anywhere anytime.When i tried to cancel my Globlstar phone they offered to rent me a Iridium phone till they get their satellites up and running in 2009.They just launched 4 new ones last month and are supposed to replace all 40 by 2009.But till then their service sucks.
 
A bush pilot these days should have an ELT he could fire up if no other communication is possible. A guy forgotten about in the bush has fewer options. We have a Global star phone, and as noted it is far from perfect. In fact we discovered that in the high arctic (84th parallel) it won't pick up a satellite at all.

Even if everything goes wrong, once a person as been a few days or a week over due, the folks at home should start making things happen. Before you leave, someone should know your destination, expected time of return, name of the outfitter, and the name of the air service you are using.
 
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I simply know that some are going to reply that Satellite phones may be the answer. Not so, just recently while hunting up north, I ran into a hunter who packed a Global Star that he had rented. I told him that it was a good idea. He replied that it did not work, pulled it out and showed my the screen which read "no service". Go figure. The moral of the story here is don't believe what the salespeople tell you, get some feedback from people who have used them in the area that you plan to hunt.

Back on topic. Even if a bush pilot forgets about you, what about wife, relatives etc. I always leave a detailed plan of my whereabouts and return expectation time and date.

Ya they are a POS. You have to hold them on the right angle and hold it there or else your signal will drop.

1000 dollar hunk of #### in my own humble opinion.
 
Friend of mine from Alaska is staying at my house right now. He says the signal he is told to use if he wants to be picked up or moved is to spread out a BLUE tarp. He is a fish guide in western Alaska.
 
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