re : LB No.4 battle sight ground down to a V-notch

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I was browsing throughhttp://www.collectorssource.com and i came across this Long Branch No.4 rifle with the battle sight ground down to a V notch,..it stated in the caption..."This unapproved alteration was commonly done by individual soldiers for faster target acquistion.


Im wondering if this is Bull-Sh*t ,, that a soldier in the Canadian Army could grind a V notch on his rifles Battle-Sight

I tried to put the link showing this rifle on CGN , but couldn't seem to make it work
 
Ten minutes to change it out...... but was this modded during Service?

Anyone remember back that far?

We didn't do much with the Number 4 because the C1 was being phased in and everyone was all gaga to have a go with that one. Rimless cartridges: imagine that! No more DUDUD, you evil little maggot!

If this occurred during Service, I can think of many painful and interesting things one could have spent a long time working at, once the RSM discovered your talents at gunsmithing on Her Majesty's rifle!

I would tend to doubt a Service-era mod, mainly because Canadian troops were trained very well with the use of the aperture sight of the Number 4.... and the REASONS for it. Combat-range target acquisition with the regular Battle Sight is lightning-quick once you have learned how to use the thing: both eyes open, rifle up to shoulder, place the front sight directly under the target and squeeze off the round. If you THINK about it, you're doing it wrong. Properly trained, the action will become instinctive.

I can see how modding the aperture to a V-notch could really screw you around, but I can't see how it would make target acquisition any faster or easier or more positive.

This sounds more like something Bubba came up with when he was finished with sporterising that ugly old '76 Winchester Musket.
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Slightly different situation, but when I bought my 1943 Long branch, it had the battle sight ground right off. I know that was the case with 4ts but it was a regular full stock FTRd in 1953 at Fazerekerly. It had the adjustable sight with the battle sight ground away.
 
I bought some m1 garands and one of them had the top of the rear sight cut off to make a V. It worked rather well.
 
heaven't there been some found in the middle east with the rear sight ground into a v notch? Something about making them more familiar like their AK's etc...

No way that No4 sight is anything other than some civvy owner's tinkering to fix something that ain't broke. Troops who are trained in the use of the rear aperture sight wouldn't change it because it is just too fast and too instinctive to use.

Now AK47s in the Middle East are a whole different story. I've seen everything from soup to nuts done to them and had a chance to examine a few at close proximity as they were being stuck in my face or gut by poorly trained gunsels at various checkpoints, etc. The sorriest one I ever saw was in the hands of a bored Syrian police guard on the gate of the apt bldg where I lived in Damascus. It had no front sight and looked like it had been used as a shovel or crowbar. The weapons handling by these people is generally pi$$-poor, even if their intentions aren't necessarily hostile. There's an old saying among UN staff in the Middle East; "any 12 year old with a Kalashnikov will teach you everything you ever wanted to know about the privileges and immunities of the United Nations".
 
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"This unapproved alteration was commonly done by individual soldiers for faster target acquistion"

COMMONLY DONE? It is obvious that the person who wrote this little Gem has never spent time in the WWII or later era when the Lee Enfield was in service.

First of all, there are all kinds of people who were farther up the food chain than the ordinary Infantryman. All of these people looked unkindly to unauthorized alterations to His or Her Majestys property.

Inspections were held on a regular basis, varying in Wartime or Peacetime, but they WERE held. In Wartime, inspections were held when troops came out of the line, who were in rest areas, and before going back into the line. In peacetime, it was usual to have NCOs do an inspection every morning, and possibly an Officer accompanied by the Sergeant Major might on occasion inspect one Platoon or Company. Usually there was at least one major Inspection each week for the whole regiment.

As SMELLIE points out, such people would not really find that the individuals initiative or alteration to Government Property amusing, and anyone who did it would probably find that he would have less money to spend in the near future, and that the RSM and others would take a personal interest in that individual's future education and physical well being. And I will guarantee you that once the RSM knew your name, any unpleasant little task or something that involved digging, lifting, cleaning, or other little chores, your name was the one that came to mind instantly. This individual would also have to contend with the Armourer, who, depending upon how many stuck patches in the bore, or broken pull throughs in the bore that he had to contend with that day, and whose temprement ranged from "Pit Bull" upwards to "Grizzly bear with a sore pecker," could be rather interesting.

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All said and done, allot of things happened during wartime.

My Father's best friend in the RHLI carried a K-98 most of the time.

He was eventually killed by a Hitler Youth Fallschirmjager Sniper near WOENSDRECHT and buried in the Netherlands, Bergen op Zoom Cemetery.

Royal Hamilton Light Infantry, War Diary, 15-17 October 1944
1600 B37156 CSM KC LINGEN, of "D" coy, was killed by an enemy sniper near "D" coy HQ.

He also participated in OPERATION JUBILEE "DIEPPE"

My point is;

There are many of our family stories that where shared of unorthodoxed goings on amongst the soldiers, their weapons and everything in between.
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Canadians meet Americans:
Pte. W.R. Burns and CSM. K.C. Lingen of the Royal Hamilton Light Infantry talk with Cpl. J.E. Juras,
Capt. A.A. Smith,
Lt. Clair Jones,
1st Sgt. L.R. Huntingdon,
members of the 2nd U.S. Armored Division, Elbeuf, France, 27 August 1944.
 
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People had to be careful about carrying and using the other side's weapons and kit. Get caught in a surrender situation and things could get a whole lot rougher on you.


Also he would have parade for company inspections with his issued weapon, be it a No.4 rifle or a Sten gun,..not a Mauser K-98
 
People had to be careful about carrying and using the other side's weapons and kit. Get caught in a surrender situation and things could get a whole lot rougher on you.

Good point...being caught by the Germans was pretty dicey anyway.

I can't see a K98 being a trade up from a No 4...? I find a No 4 so slick to use, Mauser less so.

One of those Thompsons would be the cats ass though...heavy as hell but very effective.
 
I agree with you 120% on the Lee over the mauser, i couldn't imagine why you'd take that trade.

Personally, i'll take a MP 38/40 over the tommy gun, After shooting both a bit, the MP is just so much more easier to shoot, and it won't break your back to tote. And the folding stock is nice if you have to contend with vehicles.

I'd still take a thompson if you gave me one though :evil:
 
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