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ok-i asked this question to my CFSC instructor back in november, and he didn't really know the answer....anyways

hypothetically- if a firearm (long gun, non-restricted) is trigger locked, and put into a locked hard case, and put out of sight (ie: back of a closet)-would that be considered safe, and LEGAL firearms storage?
as well, in the same situation, would it be safe and LEGAL to store ammunition in the same room as the firearm, in a locked (but not air-tight) container, and put out of sight?

i ask because that is exactly how a friend of mine stores his gear and I am continually arguing with him that a decently priced safe would be safer.

Can someone settle this for me, and ease my noobish mind?
 
For long-guns that's fine. Not for restricteds though.
http://pub.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Non-restricted firearms
•Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
•Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.
 
you can pick up a cheap gun safe at crappy tire for $99.99 so why not? And just as Keller said, the guns can rust if left in a gun case. I had it happen to me....just got lazy after a day of shooting and left the gun in the case for a week.
 
If it's trigger locked no need for a locked hard case. If it's in a locked hard case it doesn't need to be trigger locked.

A safe will be safer against theft in most cases. You can't easilly hide a safe though.

Keep pushing into buying a safe anyway. Then he'll feel he needs to fill it with more guns.
 
For a non restricted long gun you can trigger lock it and hang it on the wall and still be considered legal.

I'm quite surprised (& a little disturbed) a CFSC instructor wouldn't know that! Just out of curiosity.....where did you take your course? PM me if you don't want to post on here!
 
lister said:
For long-guns that's fine. Not for restricteds though.
http://pub.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Non-restricted firearms
•Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired; or
•Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.
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i would say you can store both the same way,

Restricted and prohibited firearms

* Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
* Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

container to me means the case/container it came in. or something to that effect.
 
Spawn-Inc said:
i would say you can store both the same way,

Restricted and prohibited firearms

* Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into; or
* Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.

container to me means the case/container it came in. or something to that effect.
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No you can't.

Read your post again, and then read lister's.

Locking device OR container for non-res, locking device AND container for restricteds.

And a cardboard box is not 'hard to break into', even if the gun came in it.

You know that law is not bound by what you sorta think it means, right? I suggest you learn A LOT more before giving legal advice. Asking questions is always good.
 
Sardaukar said:
No you can't.

Read your post again, and then read lister's.

Locking device OR container for non-res, locking device AND container for restricteds.

And a cardboard box is not 'hard to break into', even if the gun came in it.

You know that law is not bound by what you sorta think it means, right? I suggest you learn A LOT more before giving legal advice. Asking questions is always good.
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amen for that. i'd rather ask a billion questions than go to jail for a couple thousand dollars.

anyways, i think it was just how I worded the question to the instructor, that he didn't understand.

anyways- another storage question: I really don't have the room for a safe (a much safer option I would rather go with) and was going to lock it in a hard case. With rust a moisture being the outcome of prolonged hard case storage- what else would be recommended? Let it be noted, that I live with, at times, 3 other people.
 
djmay71 said:
amen for that. i'd rather ask a billion questions than go to jail for a couple thousand dollars.

anyways, i think it was just how I worded the question to the instructor, that he didn't understand.

anyways- another storage question: I really don't have the room for a safe (a much safer option I would rather go with) and was going to lock it in a hard case. With rust a moisture being the outcome of prolonged hard case storage- what else would be recommended? Let it be noted, that I live with, at times, 3 other people.
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It should be allright as long as it's dry enough in your home. A thin film of oil on the firearms will make it safer. And check on them regularly.

Or if a hard case is worrying you, with a trigger lock it can be in a soft case, which will 'breathe' much better.

By the way, those StackOn 10 gun cabinets(not really a safe, just a sheet metal box with a lock) that they have at Canadian Tire take the space of about 5 shirts in a closet. $200 but they come on sale regularly.
 
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Sardaukar said:
No you can't.

Read your post again, and then read lister's.

Locking device OR container for non-res, locking device AND container for restricteds.

And a cardboard box is not 'hard to break into', even if the gun came in it.

You know that law is not bound by what you sorta think it means, right? I suggest you learn A LOT more before giving legal advice. Asking questions is always good.
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using glock as an example, they ship in a hard plastic case and a trigger lock. i install the trigger lock on the glock. then get a second cable lock, and wrap it enough times that the hard plastic case cannot open.

that to me would comply with the law.


and that being said i'm not giving advice, merely stating my opinion, and more so trying to learn by posting what i thought and reading the response, as i am now. as i'm sure you well know, asking for legal advice on the internet is generally not a good idea.
 
Storing Firearms Safely

•Unload and lock your firearms!
•Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearm.

Non-restricted firearms

•Attach a secure locking device, such as a trigger lock or cable lock (or remove the bolt) so the firearms cannot be fired;

or

•Lock the firearms in a container or room that is hard to break into.
An unloaded non-restricted firearm can be kept unlocked:

•temporarily if it is needed to control animal predators in an area where a firearm can lawfully be fired (ammunition must be kept separate or locked up); or
•in a remote wilderness area (ammunition may be kept readily accessible).

Restricted and prohibited firearms

•Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is hard to break into;
or

•Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
•For an automatic firearm, also remove the bolt or bolt carrier (if removable) and lock it in a separate room that is hard to break into.
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm


d:h:
 
Spawn-Inc said:
using glock as an example, they ship in a hard plastic case and a trigger lock. i install the trigger lock on the glock. then get a second cable lock, and wrap it enough times that the hard plastic case cannot open.

that to me would comply with the law.


and that being said i'm not giving advice, merely stating my opinion, and more so trying to learn by posting what i thought and reading the response, as i am now. as i'm sure you well know, asking for legal advice on the internet is generally not a good idea.
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Yeah, in that example it might be arguable that it is a 'hard to break into' container, but I wouldn't bet my freedom on it.

If I was to put my 10/22 in the cardboard box it came in, it would be in no way hard to break into.

Moral of the story, using the 'that's what it came in' criteria is a sure way of ending up breaking the law. Unless the gun came in 'a locked container that is hard to break into'.;)
 
boltonscouter said:
For a non restricted long gun you can trigger lock it and hang it on the wall and still be considered legal.

I'm quite surprised (& a little disturbed) a CFSC instructor wouldn't know that! Just out of curiosity.....where did you take your course? PM me if you don't want to post on here!
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seriously? My CFSC instructor was retarded. I'd just ask questions to #### with him. I asked if it was OK to put a pistol grip on an 870, he said it would make it restricted because you'd hold it like a hand gun. He was all about rape whistles, too!
 
djmay71 said:
amen for that. i'd rather ask a billion questions than go to jail for a couple thousand dollars.

anyways, i think it was just how I worded the question to the instructor, that he didn't understand.

anyways- another storage question: I really don't have the room for a safe (a much safer option I would rather go with) and was going to lock it in a hard case. With rust a moisture being the outcome of prolonged hard case storage- what else would be recommended? Let it be noted, that I live with, at times, 3 other people.
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get some of those moisture absorbers and keep it in the case ;)
you kno those ones that say DO NOT EAT! silican something
 
Captain Paul said:
seriously? My CFSC instructor was retarded. I'd just ask questions to f**k with him. I asked if it was OK to put a pistol grip on an 870, he said it would make it restricted because you'd hold it like a hand gun. He was all about rape whistles, too!
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haha happy i went with silvercore, as the instructor was awesome and could answer every question we threw at him
 
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