Real rifles vs packaged rifles

For myself for a hunting rifle or any hunting gun I would rather use a composite stock. My 870 wood stock this year took a good little beating in the bush. I like my stuff looking like new. Now when hunting things get dinged and scratched its expected so I would rather use a composite for that reason.

I do understand why alot of people would rather use a wood stock and respect it. composite stocks feel cheap but for me they are bush guns :)
 
Ahh my bad....missed the "in" :p. Oh well, mine is 24 years old and has failed the test of time.......and the test of accuracy. But it sure is a pretty rifle, I cant take that away from it.
 
I don't think anyone is really claiming that a $400 package is better (or even equal) to a $1500 Weatherby.

It's just that price matters.

For some shooters $1500 might as well be $15 million.

Even if a fellow has $1500, there is a real argument for buying three Savage 11/111 packages, one in .243, one in 30-06, and one in .338 win mag, over buying a single, unscoped Weatherby Mk V.
 
I can't believe someone would put a T3 in the same group as an axis. This is a high quality barrel and action as smoth as.... I have one in 300WIN MAG stainless it is pure pleasure to shoot. Paid $600 for it used (not cheap for me). Has a limbsaver recoil pad, and some weight added to the stock. I wouln't mind having a closet full of old or more refined rifles but for now function trumps nostalgia

I personally can't see why you WOULDN'T lump T3's with Axis's, they are after all, an expensive Axis. And if function trumps all, then the T3's would be Euchred after trying to go alone....this reminds me I need to brush up on Euchre.
 
...how can a used Ruger 77 hold a value ... when a person can get a new plastic Weatherby ... or a Stevens 200 or a Savage Axis or a Tikka T3 that all have reports of being very accurate. ... I would still pay more for it than any plastic rifle. ...


You answered your question there. People pay what they must for what they want or need. They pay more for what they like best.
 
Synthetic stocks have an advantage IMO they will not warp with moisture and temp. or split and crack, granted some wood stocks do look very nice and I do own a lot of wood stocked rifles however these days

Hawk, you may want to be careful with the generality of the warping statement. The Remy and Weatherby stocks both warp when warm in the hot sun. The wood warps with moisture.

The more expensive fiber stocks and (forgive me) the plastic Savage stock are more resilient to the movement.

To me a "real" rifle is one that shoots straight and accurate every time with reliability. I just finished "Bubba-ing" my Weatherby plastic stock to gain accuracy. Who cares if it doesn't look pretty with all the glossy finish of walnut. If it hits where I point it...that my friend, is a real gun, regardless of how much I paid for it. :D
 
I don't think anyone is really claiming that a $400 package is better (or even equal) to a $1500 Weatherby.

It's just that price matters.

For some shooters $1500 might as well be $15 million.

Even if a fellow has $1500, there is a real argument for buying three Savage 11/111 packages, one in .243, one in 30-06, and one in .338 win mag, over buying a single, unscoped Weatherby Mk V.

Not many see it the way you do, but you are right. I have two kids I have to get rifles for. It ain't cheap.
 
I would put them in the same class. They look similar and from the reports i have saw on here, the axis is as accurate, even though tikka has a "higher quality" barrel :rolleyes:

I've actually shot both, I've taken both appart and had a close look. The trigger on the axis needs some serious work to be anywhere near what the tikka is. Comparing the action, fit and finish, the guns really are miles apart. As the price suggests
 
'cause im poor, and sometimes i like to get new guns. That being said im not above buying a nice used gun, but condition is everything with them. For me i like to get one or two guns a year because if im being smart and balancing school with guns ( haha libs would be all over that ) i can afford that. I can't afford to get 2000 dollar guns but i can afford 3-500 dollar ones, and if i can rob the piggy bank enough i might get one for the year in the 800 dollar class. Basically those of us who aren't in great finacial status can afford to get good preforming guns and still have money left over to get ammo.
 
'cause im poor, and sometimes i like to get new guns. That being said im not above buying a nice used gun, but condition is everything with them. For me i like to get one or two guns a year because if im being smart and balancing school with guns ( haha libs would be all over that ) i can afford that. I can't afford to get 2000 dollar guns but i can afford 3-500 dollar ones, and if i can rob the piggy bank enough i might get one for the year in the 800 dollar class. Basically those of us who aren't in great finacial status can afford to get good preforming guns and still have money left over to get ammo.

I can totally understand, great explanation! Stay in school and get a good job, it'll improve your income potential which means: More options for your gun case!
 
I've actually shot both, I've taken both appart and had a close look. The trigger on the axis needs some serious work to be anywhere near what the tikka is. Comparing the action, fit and finish, the guns really are miles apart. As the price suggests

I agree completely. The quality of materials used to build Tikka is simply one class above much of what is sold in North America. Tikka T3 is a modern design built using modern manufacturing techniques and high quality materials.

As for the accuracy of newer inexpensive rifles, you can't argue against progress and they are often extremely accurate but sometimes not as durable.

Alex
 
I absolutely love a highly figured walnut stock. Aaa or exhibition show quality wood. However the fancier it is usually the weaker it is. I live to hunt and I hunt hard and my guns even tho I take great care of them get beat to hell and back. Ill also admit I'm not a good enough shooter to see much of a difference between my stevens 200 and my buddies high dollar target gun. I'm decent enough to cleanly take any animal I hunt and even good enough to scare the crap out of a ground hog at 400 yards. Mostly with the first shot to. I have a few cheap plastic guns but they've never let me down. They fit right feel and balance well and are built to take abuse If I roll my bike and ruin a stevens 200 or savage 111 a trip into a near by town and I can get another one usually without having to check my bank account. That can't be said about my fathers wood stocked guns. A gun is a tool and I want an appropriate tool for the job. Why spend $2000 when $500 will do. Its a personal choice even though finances and fiancées play a major factor as well. As much as I love fine wood my nest few guns will be cradled in plastic and I'm fine with that
 
Got a buddy shooting a savage 111 in .270 with factory stock and scope...package deal gun. Shooting 0.5MOA with handloads. Take it for what it's worth. A lot of people talk #### without actually trying the equipment.
 
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