Reason for Lack of Miroku and Marrocchi double guns in Canada

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I like to peruse the shotgun magazines from the British Isles and on the continent.

I notice that Miroku and Marocchi have quite a popular standing in the double gun market overseas. Baikal is gone for political reasons.

I was wondering why Miroku and Marocchi have not made inroads into the Canadian gun market?

Is it due to currency exchange? Does the Turkish gun market dominate Canada?



Just wondering.
 
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I don't think side by sides have a large market base in North America compared to Europe. Pumps and semis compose most of the hunting market over here... and O/U's are big in the target field. Doubles not so much. And yet if you give them a try, doubles are great to use... but not cheap to buy...

I hunted with one for years...
 
Arietta said:
Lots of Miroku guns around. They are marked Browning. Marrocchi guns have come in from time to time but do not enjoy the best reputation for durability.
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Bingo!!!!

The SKB line are now Marocchis.

I think the Winchester 101 is also a Marocchi.

Browning and Winchester are the same and that pretty well tells us why. Are Brownings still Miroku? I think the new Winchester Model 101 might be a Marocchi. The barrel stamp will tell you.

Unless someone knows more.
 
bluelynx said:
Bingo!!!!

The SKB line are now Marocchis.

I think the Winchester 101 is also a Marocchi.

Browning and Winchester are the same and that pretty well tells us why. Are Brownings still Miroku? I think the new Winchester Model 101 might be a Marocchi. The barrel stamp will tell you.

Unless someone knows more.
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Going from memory:

Current Winchester 101 is made in Belgium by FN
Previous Winchester 101 was made in Japan by Olin-Kodensha
Winchester 1001 was made by Marocchi. These guns weren't around long and were recalled by Winchester in the 90's.
Brownings are still made in Japan by Miroku.

https://www.browning.com/news/articles/brief-history-browning-legendary-miroku-factory.html
 
When Land Rovers are as reliable as Ford F150s, tweed replaces Goretex, and Wellingtons aren't a snooty beefy dish. Only then are we likely to see plenty of double guns. For now the gun market is more heavily influenced by muddy duck blinds and insane retriever dogs that only want to get cold and wet.
 
There are some around, I think somebody was importing them into Canada in the 1970's, both Miroku branded and Charles Daley branded. I've owned two: I had a O/U 20ga and currently have a SxS 20ga. Both were purchased here in EE.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
When Land Rovers are as reliable as Ford F150s, tweed replaces Goretex, and Wellingtons aren't a snooty beefy dish. Only then are we likely to see plenty of double guns. For now the gun market is more heavily influenced by muddy duck blinds and insane retriever dogs that only want to get cold and wet.
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Yes indeed Mister Maple Leaf, but you must recall reading the Late Donald Zutz' book "Shotgunning. Trends in Transition".
 
Browning is Miroku. When it comes to the majority of their o/u line-up today. My guess is with Browning being a North American (read USA because we are just an after thought in the big picture) company when the manufacturing and distribution contracts where first drawn up in the late 60s early 70s, Browning wanted exclusive rights to NA and most of the rest of the world was fair game for both. Worked well for both to this point.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
When Land Rovers are as reliable as Ford F150s, tweed replaces Goretex, and Wellingtons aren't a snooty beefy dish. Only then are we likely to see plenty of double guns. For now the gun market is more heavily influenced by muddy duck blinds and insane retriever dogs that only want to get cold and wet.
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Land Rover is owned by Ford. An F150 they might not be, but an Explorer shares much DNA.
 
Miroku have models that I wish were available in Canada. Incredible value and quality for the price. Mk38 Sporter and Mk60 game in Gr 5 for starters would be in my collection if they could be purchased in Canada.
 
British Sporting Arms is of Millbrook, NY imports Miroku guns from Britain, doing an end run on Browning's exclusive license.
 
There is little interest for decent double guns in Canada. For those that want a double that goes bang, there is 100 years worth of used guns and new Turkish imports.
 
woodcock said:
Browning is Miroku. When it comes to the majority of their o/u line-up today. My guess is with Browning being a North American (read USA because we are just an after thought in the big picture) company when the manufacturing and distribution contracts where first drawn up in the late 60s early 70s, Browning wanted exclusive rights to NA and most of the rest of the world was fair game for both. Worked well for both to this point.
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Miroku is a Japanese Company producing guns under licenses for Browning and olin- Winchester in the past. All current Winchester lever gun, are produced by Miroku.
They will produce guns for any company that license them to do so. The distribution network is not theirs, but of the company giving them the production contract.

Browning do not own Miroku.
 
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Janeau said:
Miroku is a Japanese Company producing guns under licenses for Browning and olin- Winchester in the past. All current Winchester lever gun, are produced by Miroku.
They will produce guns for any company that license them to do so.
Browning do not own Miroku.
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I believe that Browning/FN are the majority share holder in Miroku
 
No.

Miroku is a publicly traded company on the Nikkei stock exchange. Just over 50% of the company is held by these investors. Slightly less than 50% is owned by banks, close partners and large investors. Currently 9.8% of Miroku is owned by BACO (Browning Arms Company) and (according to our latest documents) BACO is the largest single investor. Today 15,027,209 shares of Miroku stock are listed on the Osaka Securities Exchange and is listed as Miroku Corp (7983:Osaka).
 
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Was not implying that Miroku owned Browning just that the majority of Browning current o/u production is built by Miroku. As the post stated. Browning was never a manufacturer of shotguns. All of their shotgun model where built by Belgium or Japanese and a a few others. Doesn't take anything away from the guns. But you are stuck with what Browning marketing believes is what you want in the markets that they control (North America) being one.
 
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