Reasonable target riffle?

One thing to think about, quick. The 223 will go 1000 yards but it is near possible to spot splash at that distance. If you're just learning to shoot at longer ranges then it can be a pain in the butt, especially if you shoot without a spotter.

I really liked shooting 178 Amax out to 1000 yards, and will again when my 308 AR is finished.

I take it that the Vanguard is your hunting rifle? If you're not attached to keeping rifle light, there are a few people making stocks for Howa actions. Personally, I would write Tom Manners and have home build an EH1 for your 308 and start your journey! Save the other $700 for new glass
 
Guneegoogoo. I found those two riffles in the EE and yes that one t3 custom build is a sweet gun and I'd be interested in it more if it wasn't a right hand grip.

A funny side note on that gun. Do any of you recall that blue black or white gold dress photo that went viral about a year ago. The photos of that gun started a similar debate among my family tonight. My wife though it was a really nice gold gun and refused to believe it was blue and grey.

Ah!! A south paw....

I'll keep my eye out for LH's for you.
 
Well thanks again for the info. I've actually been looking at those Tikka sporterT3 at wholesale but it seems they only come in right handed models. However I just looked at their website and they now come in left handed models. I do like the grey laminate more than that orange that tikka has chosen to use. I will keep an open mind though.

Does any one know why the savage model 12 in 308 only has a 1:12 twist? I would have thought for long range targets you'd want to shoot the 208gr match bullets no?

The Tikka is a good choice. Pretty unfriendly for a lefty unless you can either find a l/h model or build yourself a cheek-rest that will not rip your face off each time you pull the trigger. I made one out of birds eye maple and it fits quite nicely.
I bought mine on a spur of the moment whim and I don't even know if i'll shoot it much. Too many guns and not enough time.
Anyways, just wanted to show you that a r/h model can be made to work with a lefty.
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Are those Caldwell bags good to shoot from? Right now I'm using the Caldwell rest that is adjustable with a small bag that straps on. I think it's called the rock Jr.
 
Unless you're gonna spend 200$ on an Edgewood or SEB bag, Caldwell is fine for a rear bag.

An adjustable front rest is about as good as it gets. You can spend up to 2000$ in a SEB, but lots run "The Rock" for 180$. I honestly think that I can be almost as steady off my bipod and a rear bag.
 
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If you are looking to enjoy starting up having a rifle that shoots 0.75" MOA will provide that.
If you are looking to compete, you will be looking for 1/3 moa. So choose within these parameters. The more refined, the more custom you will be seeking. Now, if you are looking for a platform to build upon for the most frugal of us, look no farther than the savage platform in my opinion. Other options over that and be sure to have a several $1000 over the long run to get there.

Save your money for quality optics, 32 power or above. Several in variable or fixed out there. But there is benefits for both. Variables will allow you to dial down in heavy mirage.
Go for it with your pro hunter, it may surprise you. But sooner than later you will find a need to upgrade, and this is where you need to choose the platform an goals you wish to go from. I witnessed a bone stock Savage 10 varmint rifle improve this winter towards a competitive level at 300 and 500m....so practice in the shooting and reloading will get you close. Stick with the 223 for now, it will train you for the least cost. My 2c.
 
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Here's my 2 cents. I just started long range shooting. To start I bought a set up rifle used with about 175 rounds through it. It is a Savage FCP-K in .308. It sports a Bushnell 10x40. Factory accutrigger. With Nosler match it was a 1-1.25 MOA gun. Not bad I thought, for a guy who hasn't really been into long range style of shooting. I then learned about the second sport involved with owning a target rifle.....reloading. With 168 Hornady HPBT over 43.3 grains of RL15, Federal 210m primer and Nosler brass it shoots .75 moa or less as long as I do my part and honestly the rifle shoots better than I can. I can ring the 800m gong at my range very consistently.

Moral of the story, I have less than a 1000 bucks invested into a rifle that shoots better than i can right now. I can always upgrade. .308 has taught me a lot about ballistics and reloading. I have no regrets about buying a savage. Especially at the price point.
 
Here's my 2 cents. I just started long range shooting. To start I bought a set up rifle used with about 175 rounds through it. It is a Savage FCP-K in .308. It sports a Bushnell 10x40. Factory accutrigger. With Nosler match it was a 1-1.25 MOA gun. Not bad I thought, for a guy who hasn't really been into long range style of shooting. I then learned about the second sport involved with owning a target rifle.....reloading. With 168 Hornady HPBT over 43.3 grains of RL15, Federal 210m primer and Nosler brass it shoots .75 moa or less as long as I do my part and honestly the rifle shoots better than I can. I can ring the 800m gong at my range very consistently.

Moral of the story, I have less than a 1000 bucks invested into a rifle that shoots better than i can right now. I can always upgrade. .308 has taught me a lot about ballistics and reloading. I have no regrets about buying a savage. Especially at the price point.

I totally agree with you; used Savage, learn to reload, spend a year or two shooting then if you are good enough upgrade. You will get your money back on the Savage.
 
Thanks Gunnygoogoo. I was at TNT yesterday looking at that very gun. I thought it was new but it was on the bottom row. Mainly I thought it was new was because the price was the same as they are listed on Cabela's website as new. That one at TNT is in 308.

In case you would like to be able to change barrels as well as caliber for specific reasons then the give both the Savage as well as the Remington 783 some thought. Have a look at Mystic Precision's web site and his thoughts on the Savage actions for competition as well as his recent review of the Rem 783 and his build for a decent PRS competition rifle.

My choice would be to put it in a Boyds stock like he did, and get a Prefit model 783 barrel from Jerry Teo at Mystic Precision, bed the rifle with epoxy and pillars and go shoot in whatever caliber suits your need.

Here is a link to find it: http://mysticprecision.com/2016/01/remington-783-the-best-donor-for-prsmag-fed-rifles/

Out of the box most of these rifles shoot sub moa and with a rebarrel to a select match grade barrel, they do very well.
 
Forget the Mini 14. Go with the Savage in .223, but make sure it has the 1:7" twist barrel. This will allow you to shoot 80 and 90 gr bullets. The 80 gr .223 bullet will shoot as well or better than a 155 gr .308 bullet all the way out to 1000 yards. In fact the elevation changes between the 155 and the 80 gr bullets are within 1 MOA at every distance from 300 yards to 1000 yards. And the 80's are slightly better in the wind when comparing them to 155 gr SMK bullets. The only drawback is that the .223 bullet holes are harder to find on the target than the .30 cal bullets. The target marker has to be on his/her toes. At the DCRA annual matches in Ottawa there is a whole set of matches dedicated to the .223 only.

If you want a 6.5-.284, count on putting on a new barrel every 1200 rounds. The .223 or .308 will need a new barrel every 4000-5000 rounds.


What do you think about the Tikka T3 Lite I believe it has a twist rate 1:8" in .223? It's under $1000 around my price range. Would it be competitive enough? or do you have to go with 1:7 (Savage) I think they are $1400. Also do you think Cedar Springs will be running this year? Thx

Ryan
 
What do you think about the Tikka T3 Lite I believe it has a twist rate 1:8" in .223? It's under $1000 around my price range. Would it be competitive enough? or do you have to go with 1:7 (Savage) I think they are $1400. Also do you think Cedar Springs will be running this year? Thx

Ryan

I think it's awesome, but it's not ideal for target work. If you lived somewhere where you could hunt small game with a .223 it'd be great!!

Barrel will heat up, and it won't feel as steady as the varmint

You could get a t3 lite and eventually rebarrel it....
 
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