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Somewhere here awhile back (can't seem to find it now), I read something suggesting you couldn't take a non-restricted firearm and have it reclassed as restricted unless the receiver had come from the factory registered as restricted up front. Just thought I'd pass along my recent experience with the registry on this for anyone who may be interested. I just had two non-restricted semiauto shotguns reclassified as restricted. I had factory 14in barrels that I wanted them registered with, despite the absence of a FRT # to accomodate the barrel length for that particular model shotgun. Honestly went extremely easy. Despite listening to guys here who said can't be done in Ont etc... etc...

1. Installed the 14in barrels, and phoned the CFC to speak with someone in the registry.

2. Had the guns verified and faxed the info to the firearms registry

3. Was required to show proof that the barrel was a factory barrel, designed for the firearm it was installed on (provided proof of purchase).

4. Referred to the RCMP by the registry for approval and to create a new FRT number

5. Done deal. New Cert issued. Restricted by definition S.84(1)(b)(ii)CC, an otherwise non-restricted firearm having a barrel length less than 470mm.

Now, along the way, when I checked on the status of the reclassification which took a couple of months, a couple of the non-registry types that I spoke with at the CFC told me it couldn't be done. So I think the trick is don't deal with those people, just the folks at the registry.
 
Aside this being doable after much speculation, the only benefit to having a restricted shotgun, as I see it, would be the potential of a less than 660 mm OAL. Yet the barrel length cannot change unless it's a genuine factory issue barrel.

I fail to realize why one would limit themself to only shooting at an approved range for the sake of having a less than 26 inches long gauge. Though I do like the look of shorties with LE top folders. :)
If you could hunt with restricted firearms or carry them for protection in the wild, then I could see your point for sure.

Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture, or fully understand your intent for this type of reclassification, but I'm definately pleased to hear this can be done with a shotgun.

Regards.
 
I thought that if it was a factory barrel it was o.k. no matter what the barrel length ie: the Dlask short 80 barrels .

If I am mistaken please let me know what the proper info is so I don't make a unintentional mistake.....
 
The factory barrel was a bit of an isue an issue with the registry. Had to show them proof of purchase and proof that the barrel was for the gun specified. Example: a 14in on the Remington 11-87 SPS. CFC had told me.... nope can't be done because the FRT tables only show a 14in variant of the 11-87 Police, but the receipt for the barrel shows it as a 11-87 barrel not an 11-87 police barrel. The registry people were pretty quick to recognize that the barrel was designed for either, so no problem. And that's really the point, we seem to get blocked by local registrars and people at the CFC before we get that far. Anyway, there are now FRT numbers for a 14in Rem 11-87 SPS (which I just transferred to one of the guys here) as well as a 14in Benelli M1 Super 90 Field. Interestingly enough when I did those two, I also registered a Colt 7in DOE upper on a 9mm AR15 lower I had, only to find that it wasn't in the FRT tables either. Is now. As for reasons.... Hmmm always wanted a M1 Super 90 Entry but they were prohibitted. So a restricted 14in PG Benelli M1S90 that has the word "Field" printed on the certificate and no where else works just fine for me.

Shortround, the Dlask 870 barrels are fine. Just a bit different for semi autos (470mm barrel requirement for non-rest)
 
No doubt you're doing a good thing adding items to the FRT tables, it will certainly make things easier for future registrants.

I was under the impession that the Super 90 M1 Field were non-restricted and available with 14" barrels. Except they don't come with the pistol grip. If you installed a Benelli pistol grip stock to a S90M1 Field, you'd still have a non-restricted gun and essentially a PG S90M1 Entry model. Yes?

Hey, if I'm wrong, at least your post is getting some traffic. :)

Respectfully.
 
Sounds like this will work perfect for my 6.5" Rem 870 barrel from Dlask... Restricted ultra short 870 coming right up! Sweeeeeet. Anyone want a "masterkey" for their AR15? :D
 
O.K. PM I missed the fact that you were referring to a semi auto not a bolt . So it it sort of the same thing as with the mag limit , 8 or so is fine in a pump but a no-no in a semi , am I right in that line of thought ?
 
Problem on the non-restrict M1S90 Field, which was what I had, was that it was never entered on the tables with a 14in barrel, so until this one, if you wanted a 14in barrel, some considered it a part for a prohib firearm. I had been looking for a 14in barrel for work and had actually been told that by a dealer, which got me questioning why. Bought the Field model with the intention of building the gun I wanted after that. With the FRT number for a 14in M1S90 Field, a dealer could bring in 14in barrels for a restricted M1S90 Field that otherwise may have been considered parts for a prohib firearm. Not saying that will help with Benelli USA, they're still NFA barrels, but hey Benelli USA is only one part of the company.

sxyglock17... part of the reason I posted this in the first place was that there was some discussion here on building breaching shotguns using Dlask manufactured parts. There was lots of discussion both ways on how that might work, so I thought this might be relevent.
 
pm said:
sxyglock17... part of the reason I posted this in the first place was that there was some discussion here on building breaching shotguns using Dlask manufactured parts. There was lots of discussion both ways on how that might work, so I thought this might be relevent.
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You da man. If Dlask ever comes through with the barrels, I'll be the first one to try it out. Sweeeeeeeet.
 
I remain a bit puzzled; you installed a 14" factory barrel on a semi auto shotgun which presumably had a 14 1/2" pull stock on it and probably 3" further between trigger and breach end of the barrel. That is a total of 31 1/2" as I count it so why does it become a restricted weapon.
As I understand the law, minimum barrel length is 18 or 18 1/2" unless done by the factory so presumably a factory barrel on a factory reciever would be unrestricted

cheers mooncoon
 
Becomes restricted because it's a semi with less than a 18.5in barrel. A shorter factory barrel is no problem on something other than a semi.
 
Just thought I'd add a photo.

My non-restricted M1S90 top.

My recently re-classed to restricted 14in M1S90 bottom

m1s90s.jpg


Sorry for the quality of the photo.
 
As the result of lots of begging and pleading to a guy I knew had one. If I could get my hands on a second one they'd both be restricted.
 
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