Recoil

depends on stock dimensions, fit, gun weight, recoil pad thickness and construction, type of ammunition, what you had for breakfast, etc

does that help :)
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todbartell said:
depends on stock dimensions, fit, gun weight, recoil pad thickness and construction, type of ammunition, what you had for breakfast, etc

does that help :)
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Ok lets say the gun is the same make, the wood stock is roughly a pound heavier, same factory recoil pad, and winchester fail sake in 180 grain. Are there any true benefits to the wsm other then weight and the short action?
 
well, more powder = more kick, but a pound extra weight would probably nullify things

you're looking at a tossup I think
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The heavier the rifle the less felt recoil there will be, that is physics
I can not figure out why, but have experienced several 300 WSMs on very light rifles and they do not kick nearly as much as 300 win mags do. The physics says same bullet going same velocity and generating same retained down range energy should make the felt recoil the same, but there is some magic in the WSMs that defys the physics.
Typically a wood stock even of the same weight will appear to have less recoil, whether it is real or imagined I do not know, but I find I prefer wood to plastic when test shooting rifles, simply because they seem to be less abusive when wearing wood.
 
Generally speaking in rifles of equal weight the WSM will seem to have less recoil. This is primarily because of the cool sounding name and the effect of holding your tongue out and over your upper lip while shooting.
I'm serious.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
The heavier the rifle the less felt recoil there will be, that is physics
I can not figure out why, but have experienced several 300 WSMs on very light rifles and they do not kick nearly as much as 300 win mags do. The physics says same bullet going same velocity and generating same retained down range energy should make the felt recoil the same, but there is some magic in the WSMs that defys the physics.
Typically a wood stock even of the same weight will appear to have less recoil, whether it is real or imagined I do not know, but I find I prefer wood to plastic when test shooting rifles, simply because they seem to be less abusive when wearing wood.
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I have quite limited experience with 300 mags but I totally agree wit this statement.
I've shot two 300 win mags and they were unpleasant for me.
Have shot a 300 SAUM in a Remmy 700 Ti and it felt like a stiff loaded 30-06.
 
this very caliber and topic is discussed in this months edition of petersens rifle shooter


quick quote from the mag "This is explained by the fact that the .300 WSM accelerates far less unburned powder into the bore"
they go on to state its because of the bottleneck on the WSM is more efficient at burning its powder.
they have a great comparison photo detailing the difference between a standard cylindrical case versus a short stubby.
quite interesting
 
300WSM vs 300 Mag

Not sure about the difference between wood and synthetic, but i have fired a 300 Mag (Rem 700) back to back with a 300WSM (Win FW) both in wood, same bullet... there IS a difference - I'll take my WSM any day....:cool:
 
Drop at comb, drop at heel, length of pull, shape of pistol gip, type of recoil pad are also variables in the recoil issue. Wood appears to dampen the recoil somewhat. All of the previous posts have a bearing on the issue also.

If you are shooting off a bench, the shape of the stock in conjunction with the bench itself can have an influence. Most shooting benches have the top too low or the seat too high. When you fire a heavy recoiling rifle off a bench your back should be as straight as possible so you can give with the recoil--most benches are set up so that you actually lean into the rifle--which accentuates the recoil.

FWIW, 44Bore
 
Everything in both rifles being equal, the WSM will
FEEL LIKE IT RECOILS LESS!
The amount is the same, the pecieved recoil ( felt recoil) is less because of the
type of recoil.
So, in the big picture, yes, the WSM recoils less IMHO.

Cat
 
Well in most cases the WSM burns less powder than a belted magnum to achieve the same velocity. Also the WSM's have more powder exposed to the primer and burn more efficiently.
Less Powder + More efficient burn = less recoil.
The flip side is that the efficiency allows for shorter barrels and the case design allows for shorter actions which makes for a lighter rifle. And a lighter rifle is going to recoil more than a heavy one.
All things being equal there are advantages to the WSM's over the belted Magnums regardless if your desire is less weight or reduced recoil.
 
The only downside I see to the WSMs is the smaller case capacity. The cartridge is hell on wheels for 180 grain bullets, some 200 grain bullet success has been achieved, but beyond that the cartridge does not seem to perform well. The 300 win mag however shines with the use of heavier bullets, 240 grain and up work very well with the proper twist rate. Needles to say those of us who prefer to use the heavy bullets are not terribly concerned with recoil as the rifles that spit these big bullets tend to be quite heavy
 
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